APRIL 1: Rice retained legal counsel, per CBS Sports’ Josina Anderson. The wide receiver’s new legal representative said Monday (via the Dallas Morning News’ Calvin Watkins) his client is cooperating with local authorities.
MARCH 31: A car accident Saturday night has produced a police investigation centering around Chiefs wide receiver Rashee Rice. Police are searching for Rice in connection with the crash, Kelli Smith and R.J. Coyle of the Dallas Morning News report.
This “major accident” involving a vehicle believed to be registered or leased to Rice occurred around 6:20pm Saturday on a Dallas highway. A driver of a Chevrolet Corvette and a driver of a Lamborghini SUV were speeding on a stretch of the North Central Expressway, per Dallas police, causing the accident.
Both drivers lost control of their vehicles in the crash, causing a high-speed collision when the Lamborghini barreled into a center median wall in a six-car accident. The two drivers fled the scene before providing any information, according to the Morning News. The two vehicles were believed to be racing, per WFAA’s Pete Freedman and Rebecca Lopez. Three men were in the Lamborghini; Rice is believed to have been driving the Corvette.
Two others involved in the accident suffered minor injuries and needed to be hospitalized. No arrest has been made, but a police call sheet confirms Rice is at the center of a search, Smith and Coyle note. Rice will have some questions to answer ahead of his second NFL offseason, though WFAA notes Dallas police have not named the 23-year-old NFLer a suspect at this point.
The Chiefs chose Rice 55th overall out of SMU in last year’s draft. A year after the team chose Skyy Moore in the second round, Rice joined a squad in need at wide receiver. The Chiefs’ receiver trouble became well documented last season, as drops plagued the defending Super Bowl champions. The team’s uneven season at the position also featured backup wideout Justyn Ross landing on the commissioner’s exempt list and eventually receiving a six-game suspension.
Rice emerged as the team’s most dependable wideout and finished his rookie year with 79 receptions for 938 yards and seven touchdowns. Rice’s touchdown and yardage totals each ranked second for a rookie in Chiefs history. As the team could not coax steady production from its more experienced wide receivers throughout last season, its 6-foot-2 rookie — obtained after efforts to trade up for a receiver in last year’s first round did not produce a deal — came through.
Rice added an eight-reception, 130-yard showing in the Chiefs’ wild-card win over the Dolphins, and he caught six passes in the team’s Super Bowl LVIII win. He will be expected to be a key part of Kansas City’s 2024 receiving corps, which will also include Marquise Brown and perhaps another notable addition. But the results of this investigation could put Rice on the radar for an NFL suspension.
Geez what a dumb ass
He pulled a Lance Briggs!
Show me a more consistent combo than Chiefs and traffic felonies.
The St. Louis Cardinals and traffic felonies? Let’s hear it for Missouri.
Raiders
The Chiefs better draft a wide receiver.
Thank god no one was killed. Man these younger guys are idiots man
As that noted philosopher Bugs Bunny might say: “What a maroon!”
Wow what a clown
If things like this don’t fit the definition of attempted murder, the definition of attempted murder should be changed.
Knowingly and willingly engaging in conduct that can result in the easily foreseeable deaths of others.
That’s what this is.
DUI, too, while we are here.
No it shouldn’t. We have reckless endangerment for that. Attempted murder comes with direct intent to kill.
Normally, I’m all for punishing intent instead of outcomes.
Ex. attempted murder is the same intent, why do you let them off light because they fail?
In this particular case, intent plays a near insignificant role in the likely outcome. This wasn’t in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere at a high but not completely insane speed. 6 pm on a Saturday night in the 5th or 6th most populated city in America.
Another Ex. If someone shoots a gun in the air in the middle of nowhere and it happens to hit someone, they had no intent (I still hold them liable but that’s a separate debate), etc, right?
But if someone shoots a gun into a crowd of people even with no specific intent to hit anyone, we don’t differentiate that from intent because there is no resulting difference.
Firing a gun into a crowd is much different. This is recklessness, not an attempt at harm.
If you close your eyes before you shoot and, thus, don’t see the crowd…is it OK then?
It would only dumb luck that would prevent such an accident at that time at that place at that speed.
Should refusing to acknowledge the utterly obvious outcome of your actions absolve you of them?
At some point reckless is so reckless that it becomes intent. He was well past that point.
You’re knowingly pulling a trigger. You’re fully aware of the actions and consequences.
Murder require premeditation (you were planning to do it) and intent
You’d be hard pressed to prove a drunk driver was planning on driving home after drinking and proving they’re were intent on causing harm with their actions.
Intending to drive a car really fast and not thinking about the consequences is different than firing a gun toward people. Come on.
Well, they are inherently “different” things, yes. But also analogous, legally.
“Depraved indifference”:
“To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant’s conduct must be so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime.”
They’re not even close to legally the same lmao.
A sober person knows the consequences of firing into a crowd or public space or anywhere eyes open or closed
A drunk person whose brain is affected by alcohol doesn’t have that same ability. Scientifically proven alcohol affects the frontal lobe which controls thinking, emotions, personality, judgment, self-control, muscle control and movements, memory storage and more.
Again…how do bath salts affect the frontal lobe? Pretty thoroughly.
But you only want to use this “substances made me out of my mind” loophole for drunks, right?
If the Bath Salt Guy from Florida eats your face while on bath salts, you want him arrested for eating your face, right?
If a crackhead robs you while on crack to buy even more crack, you want him arrested for robbing you, right?
Nobody is saying give drunk drivers a pass here. Which is kind of weird since you’ve been told this multiple times but your response is still “well you want them to go free huh?”
This is why people stop taking you seriously. Your examples also suck. You’re using examples of actual assault with bath salt and robbery with a deadly weapon or someone assaulting you. Not all drunk drivers assault people. Not comparable but keep using bad analogies.
How do you hold drunk drivers accountable?
1. Install breath testers into cars and if they’re drunk car won’t start.
2. Suspend license indefinitely till rehab is completed
3. Create a database of known drunk drivers so bars have access to so when they run your ID you pop up so bars know.
Plenty of other ways to deal with them.
You are nobody, then?
You don’t like my examples because they point out your (likely projection based) hypocrisy regarding the treatment of people who aren’t in their right mind via one particular substance vs. others.
Can you name other examples of people hurting or risking the lives and safety of others while not in their right minds due to substance abuse of some form for whom you advocate such slap on the wrist measures as you advocate above for drunks?
I have posited on several occasions that you cannot and you have yet to do so.
The bath salt example was to determine whether substance abuse excused their behavior or not but since you can’t answer that without exposing hypocrisy you pretend to misunderstand (or genuinely) this to say “well, that’s assault”. Duh.
Does the use of a substance excuse behavior, yes or no?
Your answer is “it depends on whether I personally think that substance is a big deal or not”?
And none of that even hits the part where drunks are, in fact, held legally liable…so your need to excuse them is interesting.
Slap on wrist? Lmao
Making them install breath testers in their cars
Making them take rehab and withholding car and license till done
Alerting businesses of people they should cut off or be aware of serving
Yeah totally bad ideas. Even though they work in other ways as punishments…….
Look we get it. You’ve got some vendetta against drunk drivers cause they hurt you or someone you love maybe even killed someone like mom dad sister brother wife child……sucks and I’m sorry that happened.
But your ideas are awful and really bad and won’t have the intended affect you think they will. There’s better and more sensible ways than your suggesting. End of story.
So, when the Bath Salt Guy eats a face we can send him to Face Eater’s Anonymous and install a locking mechanism on his jaw so he can only drink smoothies instead of eat faces, right?
It’s pretty amazing…and telling…though, that you think a person needs to be personally affected by drunk driving to think it’s wrong to recklessly risk or kill others because you are not willing to be responsible for your own choices.
“Up until that drunk plowed his pickup into my aunt in that crosswalk, I thought drunk driving was hunky dory and good clean fun, but now I done seen the light.”
Does the use of a substance excuse behavior or are people responsible for their choices including their choices to take said substances?
Bad analogies are bad.
Bath salts are different than drunk driving. Explained that to you already. Your analogies suck man.
Assault – bath salts
Assault – mugging robbery
Car accident – drunk driving
Notice the word accident? Yeah there’s a reason it’s called that despite your poor attempts to deflect from that.
Anyways. Sorry you had your life impacted negatively by a drunk driver. But your ideas suck and won’t accomplish what you actually want. Jail time isn’t a deterrence. We already have laws for the situation they are necessary for. No reason to change laws cause your life sucks. Unintended consequences are never a good thing.
Bud, I already explained the exact tactic you are using to play dumb to avoid the question…laid it out…and you STILL can’t help but do it again?
Stop chasing squirrels and moving goalposts….focus…
Does the use of a substance excuse behavior or are people responsible for their choices including their choices to take said substances?
You’re as bad as drunk drivers honestly you want laws to change but don’t even think about things like unintended consequences of doing such. Much like drunk drivers don’t about consequences of their actions. You’re honestly no better than they are if you can’t sit back and think about how doing such will impact people negatively.
Yeah that’s what the world needs. People to be charged with attempted murder if they’re involved in car accidents or using cars in an unsure manner.
“Oh no I just want duis” which evolves into cell phones evolves into people speeding which evolves into people not going speed limit which evolves into so many things to where your grandma going 50 in a 65 could be charged with attempted murder cause her driving is putting peoples lives at risk! I mean grandma is creating unsafe driving conditions and if she causes an accident she should face capital murder charges! Or your wife should face attempted murder charges if she’s driving over the speed limit with kids in the car! She’s putting their lives at risk there’s a reason speed limit is posted!
You’re going the regular speed limit while it’s raining or snowing? Attempted murder charges.
Does the use of a substance excuse behavior or are people responsible for their choices including their choices to take said substances?
Already answered your question multiple times.
People should be held accountable for their actions. There’s different ways to do so.
Your idea is so awful you’d be getting grandmas mothers fathers people with worn tires people with dirt on wind shields charged with attempted murder cause they’re not operating a vehicle in a safe manner.
66 – “ Knowingly and willingly engaging in conduct that can result in the easily foreseeable deaths of others.”
Driving under the speed limit
Driving over the speed limit
Worn tires, dirty windshields or windows that impair vision
Driving in storms
All qualify as engaging in conduct that can result in easily foreseeable deaths of others cause they can all result in accidents much like DUIs
Yep, driving with dirt on the windshield and driving 120 mph on a busy highway on a Saturday night are the same, right? Silly squirrel.
Not sure why you want to carve out drinking vs other substance or refuse to acknowledge that negligence and depraved indifference are not the same, but…I have a guess.
“You almost killed a half dozen people…blow into this straw for a few months.”
Knowingly and willingly engaging in conduct that can result in the easily foreseeable deaths of others.
Loud music impairing your ability to hear? Attempted murder charges. Operation of a vehicle in an unsafe manner that can result in accidents and foreseeable deaths of others.
So people with impaired road vision and who are speeding aren’t putting others at risk like drunk drivers? Just completely undermined your whole argument by saying nah that stuff ok but not DUIs l
Let me guess you’ve driven around with dirty windows windshields and have driven above speed limit. So you’re a hypocrite. Nice. So you want to judge others for putting people at risk but not yourself. Lmao hypocrite. Nothing you say matters anymore.
“Knowingly and willingly engaging in conduct that can result in the easily foreseeable deaths of others.
Loud music impairing your ability to hear? Attempted murder charges. Operation of a vehicle in an unsafe manner that can result in accidents and foreseeable deaths of others.”
I notice the word “easily” vanished.
So, if you want to pretend that drag racing (taking up two lanes) at 120 on a busy highway is just like driving 61 in a 55, OK.
You just proved my argument by saying “if dirt on the windshield is OK, then me driving drunk is fine!!!”
Notice my inclusion of DUI was superfluous to my argument about this example, but every time I include it someone tells on themselves.
Easily?
You can easily cause an accident going past the speed limit
You can easily cause an accident going under the speed limit
You can easily cause an accident not being able to see cars with dirty windows and windshields and mirrors when you merge
You can easily cause an accident if you don’t see people in your blind spot
You can easily cause an accident if you don’t have proper wear on your tires
You can easily cause an accident playing loud music if you’re unable to hear other cars around you
And what can accidents lead to? Foreseeable Death.
Anything that results in you operating a vehicle in an unsafe manner can easily lead to accidents and cause foreseeable death.
Better?
Teist words all you want post as many bad analogies as you want endof the day you’re still a hypocrite and that’s all you’ll ever be.
According to 66
Top 10 causes of car accidents are
Distracted driving
Drunk driving
Poor weather
Reckless driving (not maintaining car maintenance) and road rage
Speeding
Disobeying signals such as lights
Running stop signs
Improper turns
Road hazards
Driving fatigued
And you should be charged with attempted murder for “Knowingly and willingly engaging in conduct that can result in the easily foreseeable deaths of others.”
But not 66. They’re allowed to do that stuff not others.
Said virtually none of that, but it’s OK.
You told on yourself. You know it. And now you are trying to toss smoke bombs everywhere you can to distract from it.
“nOt UsInG tUrN sIgNaLs = SaMe As RaShEe RiCe!!!”
Have fun with that.
Call a cab or an Uber and be an adult and stop defending irresponsible behavior.
Your redefining of the law sucks.
You’re just as bad as drunk drivers by your own standard cause you speed and do other things on the list that cause accidents and put others lives at risk but don’t think that’s an issue.
You’re a hypocrite and should face attempted murder charges every time you go past the speed limit by your own standard.
Instead of recognizing the flaws in your argument you double down on your stupidity and try to ignore the fact regardless if you’re involved in a DUI, speeding, running traffic signals, etc your own standard says you’re as guilty as people committing DUIs
“nOt UsInG tUrN sIgNaLs = SaMe As RaShEe RiCe!!!”
So you’re saying someone causes an accident cause they didn’t use their turn signals on a freeway and cut someone off you think that’s ok even if it causes a 10 car pile up and isn’t the same as Rasheed rice?
Lmao. Ok champ. They’re actually the same cause both actions led to something horrific happening. DUIs can result in multi car accidents so can not using turn signals properly. So can speeding and running traffic lights and driving during storms.
Yes not using turn signals before merging can cause accidents moron. Hence why it’s on the top 10 causes of accidents.
The fact you’re unaware of this is sad and pathetic. Maybe you need your license suspended until you take some safety courses cause my god you’re quite possibly the most dangerous driver out there by your own standard.
You’re undermining your own argument left and right by trying to create exemptions to your redefinition of the law.
What’s funny is that you think that someone who is NOT projecting and attempting to assuage their own guilt and shame would spend the amount of time you have on this argument…
Yeah.
Like I said, I included the DUI part in this case for no real reason…except that every single time it triggers someone into defending it, minimizing it and excusing it, so…it’s fun to see who tells on themselves.
Every time.
Hey what were you saying about not using turn signals not being as bad?
link to youtu.be
Huh. Wrong again.
The problem I have is you want to change laws but somehow don’t see the issue with your suggestions and make dumb comments when your dumb suggestion is proven dumb with simple examples that a kindergartner can understand without me using crayons and diagrams. Which you apparently need both.
You can make whatever inferences you want as baseless as they may be as I’ve said there’s other ways to punish people than doing your dumb idea.
End of the day you’re an idiot a moron and someone who has demonstrated not only a great level of hypocrisy but proven nothing you say should be taken seriously at any point.
You’re a hypocrite and your suggestion blows. Proven by facts time and time again
You being unable and unwilling to accept that is none of our problems. That’s a you issue.
I hope you get the closure you need for however a DUI impacted your sad miserable life. But your idea undoubtedly is the dumbest route one would take.
It wouldn’t punish DUIs. It’d ruin the lives of so many other people unnecessarily proven again by facts.
A hit dog hollers.
Drive safe.
Our society is full of hypocrites and irrational people like 66
Rational people know that not using a turn signal (which CAN possibly lead to potentially bad outcomes .001% of the time it occurs) and dragging racing at 120 mph on a busy highway and then fleeing the scene are not the same.
People in a panicked state of shame try to convince themselves of such things but…
PS- I’ve never had any personal connection to a DUI in any way.
BUT…most decent people don’t need to experience actual first hand tragedy to understand that selfishly risking the lives of others because of your refusal to be responsible for your own actions is, you know, wrong.
I expect nothing more than weak pablum attempting to save face from you, but 100% seriously…some introspection would be good for you.
Good luck.
Hypocrisy is not a way of getting back to the moral high ground. Pretending you’re moral, saying you’re moral is not the same as acting morally.
@66thenumber….”5th or 6th most populated state in America”
With that type of ignorance, it’s not a mystery as to why your reasoning may be just a bit flawed.
“Residents of the area also refer to it as DFW (airport code), or the Metroplex. The Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington metropolitan statistical area’s population was 7,637,387 according to the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2020 census, making it the fourth-largest metropolitan area in the U.S.”
Did you confuse yourself by substituting the word “state” for city? Are you outraged at calling the 4th most populated city the 5th? Or are you just rambling into a mirror?
I don’t disagree with your outrage but that perspective is tiresome. I’m not saying that you are. The internet is FULL of such comments about how penalties should be stiffer and what not. The point is, if we held attempted murder to your standards because people got tagged for DUI or speeding recklessly, you’d literally have tens of millions of people in prison.
The U.S. already has WAY more people in prison in total OR looked at from a per capita basis than any other country in the world. Who’s going to pay the $40-50K per head to house all these prisoners when America can’t come close to paying the bills it already has?
While not deserving a murder or attempted murder sentence, this definitely deserves prison time. It’s expensive, and the prisons are crowded, but the only thing worse than that is people like this on the street causing even more expensive wrecks, or hurting(or killing) others.
Causing the wreck is one thing. Fleeing from the scene is just the lowest form of cowardice and selfishness that a person can take. Hit and runs are near impossible to prosecute in most parts of the country as is-the fact that more people, millionaires at that, still try to avoid that responsibility make it much worse.
Strange thing is, crimes lead to prison sentences. (if caught and found guilty) So maybe, just maybe, if the US didn’t have so many actual criminals/bad “actors” living between our borders, there wouldn’t be as many people in prisons? Hmm….
“More criminals” comes with more liberty. That’s not even remotely debatable. If you want a minimal crime society, go live in Iran or North Korea and you will be in your version of heaven in that regard.
As for the prisoners in the U.S., most of that is attributable to the prison industry lobbyists buying our politicians. We have stupid laws like putting Marijuana as a Class 1 drug, when it isn’t even a drug at all, and we have Oxycodone and Fentanyl listed as Class 2 drugs. That’s like saying some freshman high school football player is better than Mahomes. Corporate lobbyists are the reason for that. Corporations are the ones that made cocaine and marijuana illegal in the first place cause it was cutting into their profits.
Sounds good…if living among criminals is YOUR version of “heaven”, enjoy the fall of society.
Living in a FREE society is MY version of heaven. It’s not a question of “living among criminals”. It’s a question of living among other human beings who all have their own wants, predilections, habits, etc. And in a free society, a lot of the bad is going to be allowed to run more unchecked than in autocratic governments like I mentioned.
Or maybe mass incarceration doesn’t do all that much to make society safer. It does ruin a lot of lives and further cycles of poverty. Poverty definitely increases crime.
It’s easy to talk about “mass incarceration” in general terms, but when you get down to actual cases, people are usually in favor of prison time. In a discussion of macro versus micro, people don’t usually connect one with the other. Should Rice NOT face prison time for recklessly driving, causing a multi-car collision, and then fleeing the scene? He is not impoverished, not that that should change his consequences. Let’s consider his victims, as well-what if they are impoverished? Should their circumstances ignored simply because it may contribute to the poverty of their suspect?
I don’t think that a discussion regarding mass incarceration should remove him from consequences in this case. He and the other driver should not be allowed to escape responsibility due to abuses possibly suffered by others in other situations. It’s simply not fair to the victims, and not conducive to order in society as a greater whole. Broader discussion on crime aside, he did something recklessly dangerous and recklessly irresponsible. Other peoples’ problems should not bail him out. Every case should be analyzed specifically and according to its own merits. Somebody easily could have died or been maimed, and probably will need new cars or will have their insurance affected by this.
Have we considered, on a less serious level, that Insurance companies adjust their rates yearly based on the number of claims that they pay out (or, more accurately, the number of reports they receive)? Contributing to that in a reckless manner, which is sure to be followed by a massive lawsuit or settlement, should be noted as secondary to the possibility of causing physical injury here. That certainly contributes to a lot of peoples’ poverty-people who haven’t committed crimes (or are accused of doing so).
If he did not flee the scene, perhaps Rice could at least make a case that he is taking responsibility. He hasn’t. I cannot see a scenario where he shouldn’t be held accountable through a prison sentence, given what he has caused and tried to avoid. It does not feel right to toss around mass incarceration as an argument to deny his victims-and he does have victims-that avenue. This isn’t an incident that he can’t learn from, but it is something that he needs to be held accountable for. I did not mean to write an essay on this, so my apologies. That’s pretty much my perspective on this case specifically.
“People are usually in favor of prison time.” Sure, and a lot of people’s politics effectively boil down to being cruel to groups they don’t belong to. Throwing people in prison doesn’t always actually help anything as much as it gives people a sense that Something Has Been Done in the Name of Justice. But that shouldn’t be the standard for ruining lives.
I should hope that people “don’t belong to” this particular group. Being poor may not be elective, but committing a crime of this nature is a conscious choice. The fact of the matter is that that is a broad, non-specific discussion about a very specific incident. We should not use it as a distraction to remove focus from what happened. Rice, or somebody else possibly, drove recklessly at a high rate of speed and injured several people, and caused excessive property damage, and then left and escaped responsibility. He deserves consequences, and those victims should not have to be ignored simply because someone somewhere else who is in jail is poor.
I get all that, but like in many cases, I don’t see how throwing a man in prison helps the greater good more than it hurts. You can’t undo damage. You can choose the most constructive and least destructive path forward. There are consequences other than prison sentences. Our country has a serious “To a hammer every problem looks like a nail” problem, and there are huge hammer lobbies that aren’t actually making us safer.
I think it’s rather simple, really. Rice caused a wreck, hurt people, and damaged their property while doing something selfish. Rice going to prison keeps him from doing so until he gets out, and goes on his record if he does it again so that the consequences will then be more severe. That does make us safer. Punishment for punishment’s sake of course is unconstructive, but that does not wholly eliminate is provenance.
Maybe they don’t, but I doubt that the victims of the wreck would entirely be okay with Rice going free, and even if they are, there does need to be some method of enforcement for avoiding the law by fleeing the scene. Prison by its nature is not good, and the prisons in this country are great need of professionalism and renovation and reform and resources all at once, but when somebody flagrantly violates other peoples’ rights and public safety, he/she needs to be kept from doing so again. I appreciate the discussion, but I don’t want to hijack or hog this thread any further, so I will respectfully leave it at that for my part. Thanks for the talk, Oof.
He can be forced to make restitution in various ways, be punished as a driver, and be put on probation as a felon. Heck, throw him in jail for a month on top of that if you absolutely have to. Going straight to prison sentence is ultimately more damaging than helpful in most cases at this level.
He will most likely be charged with a felony/felonies. That never goes away. But for him, right now, the penalty that would hurt him the most would be a lengthy suspension from the NFL.
How about he NEVER GETS TO DRIVE AGAIN
In addition to fleeing scene, endangerment, etc.
I’m sure he will enjoy taking an Uber to each practice/game and training session.
Most of these guys can afford a full time car service. The driving dumb-fery is mind numbing.
How about we put a little perspective into this…. I mean luckily no one is dealing with a Henry Ruggs III type situation.
Rice is 23 years old and is about to either grow up real fast or lose a once in a lifetime opportunity. Besides, I am willing to bet that in the end Rice was not only not driving, but probably wasn’t even at the scene.
So you think it is more likely that he loaned his car to someone than that he was driving his car?
I find that pretty far fetched.
You actually believe that Ippei Mizuhara gambled $4.5 million from an illegal bookmaker, and he is not sleeping with the fishes, don’t you. Shohei Ohtani is completely innocent and just decided to pay off the $4.5 million gambling debt out of the graciousness of his heart.
How does this story sound to you? Rashee Rice cousin (who is on the payroll) was using his car with permission when he accidentally cut off a car (Lamborghini SUV) in traffic. That SUV began to chase, and Rice’s cousin panicked and fled for his own safety. Once the accident occurred, Rice’s cousin, who knew he was speeding with his cousin car became confused. The young man did not know what to do, so he fled the scene. A misunderstood case of poor judgment, luckily no one injured.
This is honestly the most realistic thing that is gonna happen from this no matter what really happened
“Knowingly”
By your own definition most drunk drivers if not all drunk drivers don’t meet the criteria you’re suggesting.
Idk if you ever met an actual drunk person but they’re not “knowingly” engaging in anything. They’re intoxicated and most times unaware of what they’re actually doing (blacked out no memory of what occurred). People intoxicated also have parts of the brain responsible for reasoning and forethought impaired because of the alcohol.
Lae already differentiates between murder and man slaughter.
While sober and planning on drinking, what’s your plan to get home?
When some guy in Florida eats bath salts…and then someone’s face, we don’t say, “well, we shouldn’t hold him responsible.”
While sober? A lot of people would say oh I’ll Uber home or call a friend for a ride
And again, when drinking, that’s a different mindset and different answer. Cause drinking affects the brain.
Nobody said no one should be held responsible. But your idea to change law language is silly when we already have law language for situations like these.
We can talk about increasing punishments for DUIs but saying omg change the law so they’re charged with attempted murder isn’t the solution.
So, as long as Bath Salts Guy doesn’t plan on eating the face before he takes the bath salts, he’s cool?
It seems that DUI is the only time this excuse works…
An epileptic can be held liable for damages if he causes an accident due to a seizure while driving.
He may not have intended to cause an accident when he started the engine, but he knew the possibility of a seizure existed.
That’s not Purposely, Knowingly nor Recklessly; it’s Negligence.
I didn’t agree with it in Torts class anymore than I agreed with holding Honda liable for a customer choosing to buy a motorcycle without leg guards … but it’s on the books.
If DUI is in play here, he is liable because of the chain of events: he drank, got behind the wheel, got into an accident. The negligence triggered when he started drinking with car keys on his person. Whether he was coherent when he got into the car doesn’t supersede consciously drinking with the knowledge he would be getting (back) into the car; that came before the intoxication.
Even removing DUI, the fact that racing/speeding laws exist makes him Negligent Per Se; intoxication just makes it more egregious.
The law’s intent is to protect people from injury caused by speeding; the intent of the driver is irrelevant because “accidents happen”
Loss of control at high speed is a common denominator for the law from state to state; and there’s also Federal law
Intoxicated or not, negligent driving of a 3+ ton machine is tortious and a crime; he can face criminal and civil action
Too inexperienced a driver for that kind of vehicle. Need to work your way up. The brain needs to establish reactions that don’t require conscious thought.
Aside from the car being too powerful, poor choice of venue. Too many other cars, too much risk to other people. Nobody cares if you crash on a deserted road and only you are hurt, just saying.
Work your way up so you can responsibly speed on a busy (or not busy) road?? Perfect.
Well there is actually a Street Racing Channel, Discovery Channel put 15 seasons into Street Outlaws, there are 12 Fast & Furious films, there are under ground street racing circuits in almost every city in the US, and the sport is a cult in Asia……. I actually work with individuals that attend and, at times, a touch more.
Now take a young man who has grown up with this media stimulation and is around the age of say, 23. Now give him $2.5 million. What do you think is going to happen?
Crashing and bailing on your corvette and Lamborghini? What exactly do you think is going to happen? What is your “story” why you ran from the scene when you eventually get brought in?
Rashee: “Some dude at the crash site told me Taylor Swift was hosting a concert nearby…so naturally I couldn’t stick around and miss that”.
I mean, it’s not like cars are registered so that if they’re abandoned the authorities can figure out who… wait…
All joking aside, they’ll likely still have to I.D. the driver. That’s why hit and runs are so easy to get away with in most states (I’m unaware of how it works there)-the person just claims that he/she wasn’t driving and, without definitive proof, that’s that.
Except in this case, the owner of the car can’t be found to claim he wasn’t driving. Why is that?
Lucky for him he put up decent enough numbers last year, he went from “the chiefs do not tolerate this behavior so we released Rice” to “we are actively gathering information and have no comment at this time”
Chiefs are so hypocritical … if he was the #4 receiver he’d be gone.
I won’t be surprised if when they finally nab him he will have:
Expired, suspended or no driver’s license
No insurance
Expired vehicle license and registration
Outstanding warrants and, or other violations
Unregistered firearm
Weed
This is yet another example of young people with money in a high-performance car that is too powerful for them to drive
.(See Henry Ruggs formerly of the Raiders)
This young generation has no respect for laws or authority.
lol yes, bad behavior is definitely new to this generation.
Exactly. I remember a time when we had great NFL role models like Jim Brown, Darryl Henley, and Rae Carruth. Those previous generations sure were filled with amazing men!
Ernie Holmes.
The OG J6 “hostage”.
I hate to see anyone get hurt … or in an accident … but if it has to happen … might as well be a Chiefs player! This could have been a lot worse. Can’t think of a better team for it to happen to!
You’re a moron.
Thanks ! So are you !
Not even funny.
It’s hilarious!
letmeclearmythroat74 is actually Brownsbacker9
That guy……
How dare you accuse me of being a Browns fan! Not even close. Same division though!
Deerhunter is brownsbacker. I found out when I dared to mention the Watson contract being a disaster. The arguments and glitchy personality are the same. I have him muted now. I highly recommend it.
COMMENTS OPEN…………….for now
Not to excuse street racing!
Comments seem to point that none of those responding ever ‘street raced’ a vehicle against another, which I find incredible.
Many of these high speed accidents happen because of ‘driving beyond capability’. Young guys buying / leasing / renting vehicles with more power than they’ve experienced added to a youthful ‘invincibility’ with a lack of ‘consequence foresight’ thus a recipe for public danger. This was an issue with ‘sport bikes’ as dealers sell to whomever qualifies for payments and states issue licenses based on ‘extremely low speed’ testing, but with cars – any automobile operators license will suffice.
Could have summed up you’re whole post in 1 word …. Idiots
Hadn’t seen the video until today – haven’t really watched him on the field but would hope he’ll come out of this a better person though he sucks at driving.
It sounds like this could’ve been SO much worse…
Rice and all involved are incredibly lucky.
Hollywood Brown just moved up some fantasy draft rankings…
I am surprised Rice hasn’t been cut already – as he’s nothing special and thus not worth the bad PR.
maybe andy reid can adopt him to take the place of one of his scumbag sons
Not sure what’s worse. The fact he would cause a major accident and flea the seen of the crime or that he thought his Corvette could hang w a Lamborghini.
In a separate matter, former Lions DB Cameron Sutton has turned himself in on a domestic violence warrant issued in Florida last month.
To the ineligible list you go! Make an example these idiots need to be held accountable. No amount of money should get you out. Remember the Dallas Cowboys that killed 2 people doing this exact same thing and got a slap on the wrist?
Lucky no one was killed
SMH
The Dash cam footage is crazy, he also was not cooperating he lied saying he wasn’t there then wasn’t driving all which was proved a lie at least as far as I can tell from comments and the video.
Given his new found lawyer representation…this will become focused as an overzealous police department not treating street racers the same. Then they will figure out which one of his goon friends will be taking the fall and state they were driving….and how to launder the money to his family.
Link to video of crash:
link to youtu.be
To just casually get out of the car and walk away says what a piece of human trash you are.