Attention around the NFL will soon turn to the matter of second head coaching interviews. In the case of the Browns, one internal candidate will receive another look.
Defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz is set to interview with the team for a second time, Mary Kay Cabot of cleveland.com reports. The follow-up meeting will take place on Monday, she adds. Offensive coordinator Tommy Rees also took part in an initial interview with Cleveland, but Cabot adds he is not expected to conduct a follow-up.
Schwartz has further cemented his status as one of the league’s top defensive minds during his Browns tenure. His unit ranked first in the NFL in yards allowed in 2023 and fourth in that capacity this past season. The 59-year-old has received a number of endorsements from Browns players, and given today’s update the possibility remains Schwartz – whose only other interview to date has been with the Ravens – will become Kevin Stefanski‘s successor.
Schwartz served as an NFL head coach from 2009-13. His Lions tenure produced a record of just 29-51, but subsequent success as a D-coordinator has opened the door to interest in a second HC gig. Expectations would no doubt remain high on defense in Cleveland’s case in the event Schwartz were to take over, but it would be interesting to see how his offensive staff would be filled out in such a scenario.
Another target for a second Browns interview has emerged. During an appearance on the Bill Simmons Podcast (video link), ESPN’s Peter Schrager reported that Todd Monken is expected to speak with Cleveland once again. The current Ravens offensive coordinator has long been mentioned as a strong candidate to follow John Harbaugh to his next destination. That means a Giants hire in Monken’s case is anticipated by many. According to Schrager, however, arrangements are being made for the Browns to conduct a follow-up interview on Tuesday in Monken’s case.
In 2019, Monken served as Cleveland’s OC. That one-year stint was followed by a successful run at Georgia and three seasons in Baltimore (the first two of which were highly productive). Monken, 59, is a candidate to return to the Buccaneers as their offensive coordinator, pending the status of talks with the Giants he is likely to take part in shortly. The possibility of a head coaching opportunity could of course complicate any potential deal with New York.
Via PFR’s HC Search Tracker, here is an updated look at where things stand for Cleveland:
- Aden Durde, defensive coordinator (Seahawks): Interviewed 1/9
- John Harbaugh, former head coach (Ravens): Rumored mutual interest; Interview requested
- Mike McDaniel, former head coach (Dolphins): Interviewed 1/12
- Jesse Minter, defensive coordinator (Chargers): To interview 1/16
- Todd Monken, offensive coordinator (Ravens): Interviewed 1/10; second interview targeted
- Dan Pitcher, offensive coordinator (Bengals): Interviewed 1/9
- Tommy Rees, offensive coordinator (Browns): Interviewed 1/8
- Nate Scheelhaase, pass game coordinator (Rams): To interview 1/16
- Jim Schwartz, defensive coordinator (Browns): Interviewed 1/8; to conduct second interview 1/18
- Chris Shula, defensive coordinator (Rams): Interview requested
- Grant Udinski, offensive coordinator (Jaguars): Interview requested

Same old Browns.
Schwartz is a guy I feel like should have goten another shot at it. He took over an absolute dumpster fire in Detroit and is an elite defensive coach. Stafford also kept getting hurt on him early on there.
Jim was NOT a good HC ..
Just so I understand, the Ravens fired Harbaugh because Harbaugh wouldn’t fire Monken. But the Ravens are interviewing Monken to be Harbaugh’s replacement?
Browns NOT Ravens
Just part of that the media doesn’t know anything. Bisciotti said right out of his own mouth that Harbaugh was going to fire Monken and Orr, and he felt like why would he let him do that when he thought he’d probably end up firing him next year, so it was just delaying the inevitable.
Joe, you’ve got an interview with Atlanta to prep for! Get off of PFR!
You can do better Andrew Berry…go for youth , not recycled coaches….
Can they do better? I’m doubtful.
Most definitely they can…there are quite a few intriguing young HC candidates they have either already interviewed, or are preparing to interview shortly…pivoting away from those guys simply to hire Schwartz is foolish IMO