After they added more depth to their quarterback room, the Patriots were likely to make a move with Jarrett Stidham. They have done so today, as Sports Illustrated’s Albert Breer reports (on Twitter) that New England is trading him to the Raiders. 
NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero adds that New England is sending a seventh round pick along with Stidham in exchange for a sixth-rounder from Vegas (Twitter link). The deal represents a new beginning for the 25-year-old, but it will reunite him with a familiar face on the Raiders’ staff in Josh McDaniels.
After being drafted in the fourth round by New England in 2019, Stidham worked with the new Vegas head coach when he served as the Patriots’ offensive coordinator. That season marked Tom Brady‘s last with the team, so it came as no surprise that he only attempted four passes in the regular season. After Brady’s departure, though, expectations were raised for Stidham to be able to take over the starting role.
That didn’t end up happening, however, as the Baylor and Auburn alum sat behind Cam Newton. Stidham made five appearances, completing 22 of 44 passes for 256 yards, a pair of touchdowns and three interceptions. Between the level of play showed by both signal-callers, the Patriots entered the subsequent draft needing a new quarterback. They filled that need by selecting Mac Jones in the first round.
This year, the team selected Bailey Zappe in the fourth round to further add to the depth chart. Given the presence of the Western Kentucky product, as well as veteran Brian Hoyer, Stidham would have faced stiff competition for a roster spot. The same could be true in Vegas, as he will join Nick Mullens, Garrett Gilbert and Chase Garbers in vying for the backup job behind Derek Carr.
Gilbert’s better
He got released
Wasn’t it only a couple years ago that delusional Pats fans had this guy as the next franchise? “Easily a top ten QB”.. lol I’ll be here in a few years when they don’t pick up McCorkle’s fifth year option and ask the same thing.
That’s because people thought it was Bill that made this team great only for everyone to realize it was Brady
Not sure how many times Brady needs to go on record crediting Bill for making him what he is today for this narrative that it was only one or the other that made them as good as they were to go away. It was obviously both of them.
Of course it’s both, but people are dying to take them down a peg and Brady made that harder by winning another ring.
The idea that “it was Brady, not Bill” is just categorically untrue, unless you think that Brady plays defense too. It’s not really nearly as hard to win on a loaded team like Brady went to, while Belichick was faced with a Patriots rebuild. And, on the other end, it’s highly doubtful that Belichick would have been nearly as successful without Brady.
The number of times that one has bailed the other out is so high that discounting either is simply stupid, and only nonsensical football buying into a TV narrative would attempt to do so. Jesus, I hate this stupid idea and wish to God that it would die already. Brady didn’t manage the team. He didn’t play defense. Belichick didn’t have to worry about a starting QB for twenty years, and had the luxury of a high performing offense and a reliable passing attack. That’s what you get when you have a legendary player and a legendary coach-plus the rule changes to let that player play until he’s 40.
Outside Brady Bill Belichick hasn’t really had a lot of success developing QBs prior to Mac Jones despite investing a decent pick in someone.
Rohan Davey 4th round 2002
Kliff Kingsbury 6th round 2003
Matt Cassel 7th round 2005
Kevin 0 Connell 3rd round 2008
Ryan Mallet 3rd round 2011
Jimmy Garapollo 2nd round 2014
Jacoby Brissett 3rd round 2016
Danny Etling 7th round 2018
Jarret Stidham 4th round 2019
Looking back the 3rds and 4ths should have been spent elsewhere besides back up QB
According to that list he identifies QBs who can be head coaches?
I didn’t realize kingsbury was drafted!
Kevin O’Connell is great on This Old House, at least.
Given what they spent on those guys, they did get a lot. Cassel was a very solid backup for them and then netted them a 2nd round pick. Jimmy G was also a very solid backup for them and netted them a 2nd rounder (which they then kept flipping and flipping into more picks). Those were both great outcomes. Brisset was a spot starter they then flipped for a recent first rounder. It didn’t work out, but it’s hard to argue with the process. 6th and 7th rounders, who cares.
But you’re also being selective here. You go all the way back to 2002, but not 2000? You include a late round flyer they tried converting to wide receiver like Etling, but you don’t include Julian Edelman. The idea that they haven’t been successful in drafting QBs is ridiculous, especially when none of those guys but Stidham had an opportunity to be more than a fill-in for them. And Stidham was the 7th guy they drafted that year.
You can knock Belichick for his wide receiver drafting or this year’s draft, but to knock him for QBs is extremely silly.
Im not knocking him for the 6th and 7th rounders
I am knocking him for the 3rd and 4th rounders he drafted for what amounted to no reason at all instead of addressing other needs the team had at the time.
Julian Edelman was drafted as a WR in the 7th round according to profootball focus. Ctrl + F QB those are the names that came up.
link to pro-football-reference.com
Reading comprehension is an important skill.
You listed them, so I acknowledged them. I dismissed them quickly, because I gathered you knew that was silly to care about. But it also hand-waves away Edelman. The reason to take flyers is that every once in a while, one makes good.
And the 3rd and 4th round thing is silly. Production and trade returns from Jimmy G and Cassel more than paid for the guys who returned nothing, and Brisset didn’t return nothing. And again, Stidham was their 7th pick that year, which does matter. It’s like the Ravens taking a punter in the 4th this year would read different if he weren’t their 8th pick.
Instead of drafting Stidham Belicheck passed over a lot of guys who’ve gone on to have better careers in the 5th and beyond
Hunter Renfrow, Deionte Thompson, Dre Greenlaw went in the 5th that year
Instead of O Connell who lasted one season in the NFL as a 3rd rounder. Passed over a lot of guys who lasted longer than 1 season.
Ryan Mallet was chosen over the likes of Jurrel Casey, Mason Foster, Kj Wright, and many others who had more productive careers.
Brissett was chosen over guys like Joe Schobert, Blake Martinez, Dean Lowry, Devondre Campbell, current patriot Matt Judon, Justin Simmons, Tyreek Hill.
Wasting 3rd and 4th round picks on QBs instead of other areas of need where the Patriots could have gotten better value out of the pick is the point.
Sure, drafting is easy if you do it in retrospect. His overall strategy of drafting QBs has worked out extremely well. No one drafts the full set of guys you would draft in hindsight. Even in Stidham’s case, they took him after taking a wide receiver and pass rusher. And Thompson didn’t even go until the 5th. And again, picks like Jimmy G and Cassel netted them production AND more draft capital. Look at the portfolio and it’s a successful strategy. You’re going out of your way to pick out failures. No one’s hitting on all their third and fourth round picks or even most of them.
Dumb take. Garappolo brissett and cassell have had success and pats got trade value back for them unlike most mid round qbs. Other teams wish they were this successful so they wouldn’t have to waste early picks.
Brissett netted them Phillip Dorsett and his 73 receptions 881 yards, and 8 TDs in 3 years. Dumb take.
Patriots invested a 2nd round for Garappolo and got a 2nd in return. They broke even. Dumb analysis.
Cassell isn’t a QB im criticizing Belichick for drafting. Reading is important.
“Stop acting like I mentioned people I mentioned!”
They also had Jimmy on their team for three years. It isn’t just a pick for a pick.
And I’m talking about process at the time. They spent a third round pick on Brisset, got some backup duty out of him, and flipped him for a guy who had been a first round pick the year before him. Only talking about outcomes as opposed to process when you live in the future is intellectually dishonest.
You’re determined to believe you have a point, so you’re cherry picking data points that make it seem like you do.
Kinda misleading when to develop a quarterback, he needs to play and with Brady being there 20 years, when was Bill develop them
Then don’t invest high draft capitol in a guy who is going to stand on the side lines the entire time and never see the field. And if you do expect to be criticized when it doesn’t work after the 3rd, 4th, 5th attempt.
Third and fourth rounders aren’t that high draft capital (with an a, not an o, since you’re so big on reading comprehension). And “doesn’t work after the 3rd, 4th, 5th attempt” is a hilarious thing to say about a guy who had numerous successes, including Brady, who made it impossible to get much of a look at most of these guys, but did need backups.
In this years draft the last pick in the 3rd round was 105 and last pick in the 4th was 143 when you include compensatory picks.
You are talking about picks of the best 150 athletes in all of college football. They are high draft picks. Top 100 in the 3rd round if you’re not in the compensatory range.
6th and 7th rounder you’re talking about guys outside the top 200 depending where they fall in the 6th.
OK, now look at how many guys drafted in that range actually turn out to be good starters. It’s not like it’s likely, let alone probable, that you would take a good starter at the back end of the fourth, where Stidham was taken. You can cherry pick all the guys who worked out well, but that ignores the odds. And if a QB is any good at all, he provides a ton of surplus value at the pick. A swing isn’t only worthwhile if it works out well. Strategy has to work with foresight, not hindsight.
One of the most extreme (yet comparatively innocent) bits of delusional cult like group think we have seen in recent years…
The “Jarrett Stidham is the next Tom Brady” people.
People get nutty wishcasting on QBs they haven’t seen play very much. I remember fans of some teams on here acting like Nick Mullens would be a franchise QB when he left SF.
Still don’t get what Belichick’s succession plan was at QB when he only had Stidham and the last minute signing of Newton from the bargain bin after Brady left.
I think that he knew that it was going to be a throwaway year. People tend to forget that it was not just Brady that New England lost, but also a few defensive players (such as Donte Hightower and Patrick Chung, both of whom were long-time mainstays that knew the defensive scheme very well). Edelman missed most of the year, and didn’t seem very interested when he did play. I believe Scarnecchia retired again, and also that Gronk had decided to retire, but I can’t remember for sure.
In any case, there were a lot of positions that would have needed to be filled even if Brady returned. The wideout position, as we know, was in a bad state, which is why Belichick spent a first that he likely otherwise would not have on N’Keal Harry. The Pats were going to have to reload at numerous positions, which is the main reason that Brady chose a team that definitely put a lot more talent around him.
The reason the patriots haven’t hit on another qb is it’s really rare for a QB to pan out.
And Mac Jones had a pretty damn solid rookie season. I don’t love his upside, but he’s a much better QB plan than a whole lot of teams have right now. They spent a whopping one season in the wilderness.
This is a good move as far as helping establish what McDaniels will implement on offense. Having a guy that understands the offense will help the rest of the team get on track with it. I think he ends up being at minimum the 3rd stringer this season. I think this is also showing us that McDaniels sees something more in Stidham’s mind than his arm and at some point, he could end up being an offensive assistant on McDaniels staff.
Unless Mark Davis has a time machine we don’t know about, I don’t see this being a sequel to the Jim Plunkett movie.
Lots of evidence that Belichick is no longer the coach he once was.