Believed to be close to finalizing their plan at quarterback, the Bears are viewed as more likely to trade Justin Fields than part with the No. 1 overall pick. The team has a rare opportunity atop the draft, and Fields may not have shown enough for Chicago to pass on taking a passer at No. 1 once again.
Some Fields support has emerged in the building, and both Ryan Poles and Bears president Kevin Warren have praised the three-year starter. It is not exactly uncommon for a team to talk up a trade chip, but if the Bears are serious about keeping Fields and collecting a monster haul for No. 1 overall, Vincent Bonsignore of the Las Vegas Review-Journal notes the Raiders are expected to be interested.
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The Bears are believed to be seeking a historic trade package in order to consider parting with the top pick, and the Caleb Williams-to-Chicago buzz may make any interest in No. 1 moot. But Chicago showed last year it is willing to deal; the Carolina package armed the Bears with draft assets through 2025 and No. 1 wide receiver D.J. Moore. The Raiders sitting at No. 13, four spots behind where the Panthers were in 2023, would undoubtedly make two future first-rounders and change mandatory in a move to No. 1.
Again, the Bears trading the top pick in consecutive years would be a daring move by Poles. The third-year GM passed on Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud; the Ohio State alum looks to be a potential franchise savior in Houston. Were he to pass on Williams in order to keep a quarterback Ryan Pace drafted, his job security would naturally be on shakier ground should the USC product become a franchise QB somewhere else.
If the Bears are still entertaining the prospect of a Fields-centric future, the Raiders make sense as a team ready to secure a long-term QB. They do not have a history of trade-ups for passers under Mark or Al Davis, though the latter made a well-documented run at John Elway in 1983. Holding the No. 1 pick after a 2-14 season, the Raiders chose JaMarcus Russell in 2007. They had been a veteran-dependent operation for a long time prior to that point, signing the likes of Rich Gannon, Jeff George and Jeff Hostetler in free agency (after the Todd Marinovich first-round selection bombed). Derek Carr represented a deviation for this franchise, arriving as a high draft choice (No. 36 overall) and lasting nine years. The Raiders did not trade up for Carr in 2014.
Post-Carr, the Raiders are still looking around. While Antonio Pierce said Aidan O’Connell will have a chance to compete to keep his job, the newly installed HC is not making a secret of his interest in acquiring a higher-upside quarterback.
“The wild card is the quarterback. What are we going to do?” Pierce said during an appearance on The Pivot Podcast with Ryan Clark, Fred Taylor and Channing Crowder (via Bonsignore). “Well, we’ve got to put a plan together. There are always quarterbacks there are ways to get. Everybody has a price. There’s always a price. There’s always something that people are willing to do, like woo, ‘You’re giving me that, for this?’ You can create a little doubt there, a little like, interest, as far as if they want to make that move.”
Pierce connections to Jayden Daniels, who was at Arizona State during the new Raiders HC’s time with the Sun Devils, have emerged. If the Bears are zeroing in on Williams, Daniels would be a more realistic goal. The Commanders and Patriots, respectively holding the Nos. 2 and 3 picks, also could benefit from quarterback upgrades via those draft slots. But neither team is viewed as a lock to take a QB there, opening the door for the Raiders — or the Giants, Falcons or Broncos perhaps — to move up if the right offer emerges.
GM Tom Telesco has enjoyed the good fortune of working in organizations that had this rather important box checked. The former Bill Polian lieutenant was with the Colts when they drafted Peyton Manning first overall 1998 and pulled the trigger on Justin Herbert as Chargers GM four years ago. Neither move required a trade-up. Telesco also ran the Chargers during Philip Rivers‘ final seven seasons at the helm. Leading a franchise with this less stable QB situation represents new territory for the Las Vegas GM, adding more intrigue to this Raiders upgrade effort.
If the Bears are committed to a quarterback at No. 1, the Raiders as a Fields destination will seemingly be one to monitor. Fields is going into his age-25 season and spent the past two years working with new Raiders OC Luke Getsy, who has praised the fourth-year QB’s makeup. This looks to be the more likely Raiders-Bears scenario, though other teams — most notably the Falcons — will be on the Fields radar.
Raiders 1st this year # 14
Raiders 1st next year
Tyree Wilson
Michael Mayer
Zamir White
Gonna take a lot to get # 1 pick but thats a decent starting point offer.
That’s basically 3x 1st rounders, a 2nd, and a 4th. If the Bears can get that, they should.
This is in no way a decent starting point. Bears don’t your backup DE and RB. Plus a TE who really didn’t do much. If the Bears are to move down thirteen spots, you’ll need to start with ‘24 1st and 2nd, ‘25 1st and 2nd plus Crosby. And yes, the three players you listed are on rookie contracts. Don’t really care, Crosby has produced and is signed for a couple more years.
Lmao and you complain about my starting point. Come back to reality.
24 1st and 2nd
25 1st and 2nd
Maxx Crosby
Dreaming.
You suggested a trade return that’s less than what the Bears got last year to move down less and to move off the top pick in a draft with a worse top QB prospect.
I suggested a trade to initiate conversations between bears and raiders. They’ll haggle and come to a final agreement if both like the agreement
I did not say that was the final offer take it or leave it.
I don’t think it’s within haggling distance. If the price were anything like that, someone with a higher pick would outbid them to trade up. Think how easily the Giants could top that offer. They have an extra second rounder and the Bears could still get one of the draft’s big three receivers if they only traded down that far.
Yes. Other teams can outbid the raiders. Thats totally possible. Other teams do have better assets. But article is about raiders trading up. Not which teams can offer most for the #1 pick.
That’s a conversation stopper not a starter. It would take at least 2 #1s, a #2 (this year) and Crosby to move up from that far back. And there will be other offers. But no matter. Poles is gonna keep the pick and draft a QB.
Carolina refused to offer Burns and Brown Chicago settled for Moore but Raiders should give in and trade Crosby. Uh huh sure. Right.
That was last year,in a weaker draft, to go down fewer spots. The bears could get much more from a team closer to 1. Your proposal is just fan hope and not even close to what’ll it take.
“few spots”
8 from # 1 to # 9
Theyd go #1 to # 14 a couple more spots down from #9.
Right. They really “lost” getting DJ Moore. Snap out of it. And wow, you really don’t understand the draft if you actually don’t know what a big gap it is between 9 and 13. It HAS to be a better package than Carolina gave up last year. And it’s about getting Williams not Bryce Young- a much bigger package.
Whole conversation below about value of the #1 pick and you choose to be ignorant. Shame. Anyways. Already been discussed. Keep up.
Using this
link to overthecap.com
Bears pick is worth 3000
Raiders 24 pick is worth 1700 and 2025 pick is worth 1244 putting them at 2944
Least based on that estimate.
Using your estimate of 1150 thatd put the raiders around a minimum of 2300 for 24-25 1st round picks (assuming raiders suck in 2024 and it’s a top 10 pick next year which is likely). So theyd only need about 700 in points which id assume Wilson, Mayer, White would come in around 700 points.
FYI they have dj Moore while fields is on his rookie contract. Literally proving my point. Thanks.
You’re as lost as last year’s Easter egg. Desperate stat chasing is the last resort of a weak argument. When this plays out you won’t be anywhere near these boards.
LOL i wont be anywhere near the boards because you threw a hissy fit rondon about a theoretical trade that upset you and made you feel uncomfortable? Yeah no.
But thanks for letting me live rent free in your hear man. glad to know youll be thinking of me when it goes down. i will be thinking about many other things than you.
It HAS to be a better package than Carolina gave up last year.
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Is this some new NFL rule? That a trade for a #1/1 has to exceed one of the worst trades ever? That’s like saying the Raiders should trade two #1’s, 2 #2s, and an all-pro TE because that’s what Denver gave up for Wilson.
I think the bears would need to give up something too if they are getting Crosby. He is a top 3 talent at a top tier defensive position and he hasn’t even hit his prime yet.
Imagine how much better he’d be with help. Wow.
if they are getting Crosby.
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There is almost nothing I’d trade Crosby for.
That is reality. Bears moved to #9, got ‘23 1st and 2nd, ‘24 1st, ‘25 2nd and Moore (with CAR not wanting them to have Brown or Burns). So you’re saying the Bears should take the Raiders scraps to move down further? Not how it works.
“Starting point”
Your “starting point” is actually a low ball offer. There won’t be much haggling. Poles would ask for pretty much what he got last year and then some. With the “then some” prolly being Crosby. If anything, that’s an insult to Poles and a good change he wouldn’t call them back.
Really? Cause Bears wanted Brown and Burns last year from Carolina. Panthers said no and they would up with Dj Moore. So based on last years deal there’s definitely room to haggle.
No. The Bears had to choose between the three of Brown, Burns, and Moore. The Raiders can’t offer up any player, other than Crosby, that match those three. Unless you want to add Adams to the mix. And getting Moore actually worked out better for the Bears.
“There were certain players that we never really wanted to trade,” Fitterer said. “It’s so hard to replace a Derrick Brown or Brian Burns, a pass rusher (and) an interior, dominant young player on a (first) contract. D.J., we didn’t want to move either. But it’s a little bit easier to replace a receiver than it is a pass rusher or a three-tech.”
Right
So to recap
Bears wanted Burns Brown
Panthers said no
Bears said ok Dj Moore
Panthers said ok that works
Haggling took place.
DJ Moore and two second round picks are worth a LOT more in trade than Tyree Wilson, Michael Mayer, and Zamir White.
The panthers spread out the 2nd round picks one in 2023 and one in 2025.
If a team like the bears are keeping fields trading the #1 pick it makes 0 sense to trade far down the road cause fields is going to need a new deal sooner rather than later. Makes more sense to bring in guys who can help right away and the next 2+ years while he’s still tied to a rookie contract.
What? This comment doesn’t really make any sense. 1) Value is value. Those three guys are significantly less valuable than Moore and two picks. 2) If they keep Fields, they’re going to be building around a QB on a veteran deal, so good to have more high picks coming in as his presumptive extension kicks in. 3) Wilson barely even flashed last year, Mayer looks solid at a position they don’t particularly need, and White is a perfectly fine player at the most replaceable position in football, where they have better options.
Makes tons of sense. Value isn’t value. Mainly because pushing a pick down the road increases likelihood it’s worth less. Carolina’s 2nd in 2024 is gonna be significantly higher than Carolina’s 2nd in 2025. So no value isn’t always value
If they keep fields he’s going to take up a huge amount of cap space as QBs do. Which limits their ability to actually put a good team around him vs a rookie deal. We’ve seen what fields can do with young players. Not much. More young players isn’t the answer especially later round picks.
Bears are really limited to a 2-3 year contention window with fields on his rookie deal if they keep him and deal #1 pick. If keeping him is the route they take they need guys that can come in right away while he’s still on his rookie deal, not later round guys when he gets expensive.
If they keep Fields, they’re going to extend him. He has one actually cheap year left. They should draft Williams if they don’t believe in Fields long term yet.
And yes, value is value. Wilson, Mayer, and White probably aren’t worth two second rounders, let alone Moore and two first rounders. The 49ers had to trade TWO future firsts to move up from 12 to 3. The price of a move up for a top QB prospect at #1 is simply higher than you’re suggesting.
“Value is value”
Cool so you’re ok with the bears taking the raiders
2026 1st and 2nd
2027 1st and 2nd
As the draft picks portion heading back to the bears and no Maxx Crosby or Adams involved in the trade.
Correct?
Raiders can keep their 2024 and 2025 picks.
“Value is value” right.
You continue to be in complete denial of what a deal for this year’s #1 pick will be worth- Whatever the market will bear- All your charts and preconceived notions are useless in this case. Whoever wants that pick is going to have to OVERPAY. The Bears hold all the cards here because they can say no and just use the pick.
I was told 2 1sts and 2 2nds rondon. i was also told 2026 and 2027 picks have the same value as 2024 and 2025 picks
so 2026 and 2027 is cool right? raiders can keep 2024 and 2025 picks
not like itd wind up like cardinals trading the #3 overall pick to the Texans to draft Will Anderson only to wind up with a late round 1st round pick from the deal a year later when im sure they envisioned a top 10 Texans pick when making said deal. Value is value lmao.
You were “told”?? Oh, well, that changes everything!!
rondon • 1 day ago
The Bears hold all the cards here because they can say no and just use the pick.
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And is that because Williams is the only QB in the draft?
As a Raiders fan, I’d prefer to pay a lower price and get Maye at #2. Or again pay an even lower price and get Daniels. Or pay absolutely nothing and wait for Nix, McCarthy or Penix to fall to me.
Carolina crippled themselves by over-investing in Young.
You’re not even allowed to trade picks that far in the future. And you’re ignoring my main point, which is that the collection of players you’re suggesting doesn’t nearly add up to what other trades have required.
3 years worth so yes you can next 3 draft cycles is the rule. can totally work out a trade where bears select williams and trade him after draft for 2026 and 2027 picks. or even on draft day work out a trade as I believe soon as 2024 starts teams can trade 3 years into the future.
so 2026 and 2027 picks cool right?
Thus teams may have multiple picks or no picks in a given round. Teams are only allowed to trade picks for the next three draft cycles and picks for the subsequent draft cycle become eligible for trading upon the start of the upcoming draft. [71] For example, for the 2022 draft, only picks through the 2024 draft can be traded prior to the draft, and once the 2022 draft starts, picks from the 2025 draft are eligible to be traded.
“Value is value”
Cool so you’re ok with the bears taking the raiders
2026 1st and 2nd
2027 1st and 2nd
As the draft picks portion heading back to the bears and no Maxx Crosby or Adams involved in the trade.
Correct oooooof?
Raiders can keep their 2024 and 2025 picks.
“Value is value” right.
This doesn’t make any sense and has nothing to do with what I said. I never said draft picks three years into the future are of equal value to ones now. I just said the trade would require more draft capital than your suggestion included. Obviously any trade for the number one pick would include first round picks in 2024 and 2025. I said “value is value” because you keep suggesting trade packages with less value than the Panthers traded to draft Young or the 49ers traded to draft Lance.
He’s having his stroke in installments.
Actually a new fields deal would be exhibit A in why you want draft capital down the road. A QB deal, even for a middle of the pack QB, eats a large chunk of cap space, teams need guys on rookie contracts at that point.
For a franchise caliber qb that’d make sense. Burrow Herbert Mahomes
For a guy like Justin fields it’s just wasting draft picks and years on your qb to surround fields with rookie contracts hoping they come in and contribute right away at an elite level.
Maxx is probably the only one that is untouchable.
And Adams is equal if not better than DJ.
Dont let the GB hate cloud that.
The Bears will not move #1 down to #14. Conversation over. We’re done here.
Really dude have you not seen an NFL trade. To move from 14 to 1 would take at least that especially in a year that some people consider to have a generation quarterback at the top.
“ Using this
link to overthecap.com
Bears pick is worth 3000
Raiders 24 pick is worth 1700 and 2025 pick is worth 1244 putting them at 2944
Least based on that estimate.
Using your estimate of 1150 thatd put the raiders around a minimum of 2300 for 24-25 1st round picks (assuming raiders suck in 2024 and it’s a top 10 pick next year which is likely). So theyd only need about 700 in points which id assume Wilson, Mayer, White would come in around 700 points.”
In fact I highly doubt the Bears would move #9 down to #14. Warren- ” Ryan hang up the phone”. ” We’re done here also”. “I’ve got another call on line 2”.
Plus Crosby? I wouldn’t trade Crosby straight-up for Williams.
It would take more picks than that. 14 moves them out of range for the top flight of talent in this draft. Wilson is not likely to be valued as a first rounder after a disastrous rookie season, so the teams might have a hard time agreeing on value. White’s just a guy. If the Bears are going to trade the number one pick, they’re at a bare minimum getting a first next year and a second this year. To move down from 1 to 14 in a draft with a top QB prospect, that’s just the starting point. Someone in the top ten like Atlanta would give them a future first and a second this year.
Hence the phrase “starting point”.
It’s a minimum offer to initiate a trade conversation using what the raiders have to offer. Which isn’t all that much compared to others but that’s what they have.
I guess I just don’t believe for a second the Raiders can pull off a move to one without offering *drastically* more than a future first. And those three guys don’t reach what I mean by drastic.
The best the raiders have is this years 1st next years 1st and last years #7 overall pick.
When is the last time a team traded 3 actual 1st round picks (not picks and former 1st round players) to move up a draft board?
Best bears are gonna get on a 1st round basis are 2 1sts and a former 1st round player to some degree or a productive player who may or may not be a former 1st rounder.
The rest of the deal will be a mixture of picks and possibly players.
Didn’t WAS trade three 1st to get RGIII?
So 2012 almost 12 years ago was when it happened.
And how many trade ups have happened since then for a QB.
This trade offer would also be less than the 49ers traded up to take the third QB in 2021.
Vince Young was a bigger can’t miss.
If you use the Jimmy Johnson draft value chart, the #1 draft choice has a value of 3000. The Raiders selection is an 1150. That’s a pretty big drop. LV would have to send the Bears about 1800 points worth of value to move up. That might resemble:
Raiders’ 1st & 2rd picks in ’24
Raiders’ 1st & 2rd picks in ’25
Plus a Raiders’player NOT named Maxx or Davante.
Of course that’s all assuming the Bears believe Las Vegas won’t finish better next year by adding a QB, and they’ll probably try to squeeze a little more out of LV anyway. If the Bears see any value in one of those players you mentioned, that could be the sweetener. You almost assuredly have to part with those two seconds, though.
I really don’t see them as trade partners, but just making an attempt at piecing something together here for fun
Using this
link to overthecap.com
Bears pick is worth 3000
Raiders 24 pick is worth 1700 and 2025 pick is worth 1244 putting them at 2944
Least based on that estimate.
Using your estimate of 1150 thatd put the raiders around a minimum of 2300 for 24-25 1st round picks (assuming raiders suck in 2024 and its a top 10 pick next year which is likely). So theyd only need about 700 in points which id assume Wilson, Mayer, White would come in around 700 points.
LV #13= 1,150 points
LV #44= 460 pts.
LV 2025 1st round pick #16= 1,000 pts, hard to predict but around .500 record.
LV 2025 2nd round pick #48= 420 pts.
=3030
That is what my chart came up with.
Glad someone besides me knows about the NFL Draft Trade Value Chart.
If we are throwing hypotheticals around for fun I think the Raiders should try to trade up to 3 with NE. It will cost less then the CHI pick and LV can land either Maye or Daniels at #3. All three of the top QB prospects look promising.
The problem with a Jimmy chart is it assumes picks in the same slot carry the same value from year to year. If someone genuinely believes they are looking at a generational talent at 1.1, than that would be worth more to them than 3000 points. I do think the term gets tossed around too much, but if you really believe that’s what you’re looking at…
I can’t see the Bears giving the op offer the time of day. And I doubt they pass on #1 two years in a row. But if they do, two 1sts, 2nds and Crosby is the kind of value we’re talking about. I don’t see it being Crosby after the role he played in getting Pierce the job. I’ve got to believe Pierce fights to keep him. Adams? Maybe. If the Bears are all in on Fields, I could see them bringing in Adams.
Im thinking your starting point, from any suitor, is two firsts, two seconds and a well above average starting caliber player for 1.1. I just don’t see that player being Crosby.
The Bears aren’t trading down that far (14). They can get better offers than that.
Raiders shouldn’t even call the Bears. Work on NE or WAS for a QB if that’s what you want to draft.
Think this makes more sense. They don’t need to pay the “generational talent” price.
I had some faith in AP. But if he pulls this off, he’ll be fired w/in 2 years. Raiders need to trade back not up. That’s a barren roster.
Thats coaching though. He took that roster and went 3-1 in his division with a rookie QB. The raiders beat the chiefs with that rookie not completing a pass after the 1st quarter. Plus, the raiders defense finished strong. Like top in the league strong. I dod think they need some O-line help, A CB, but you need a QB. WHo’d you go after? Cousins? Baker?
I’d go for Cousins on a short 2-3 year deal, trade back and build up the rest of the roster before trying my luck in the draft on a QB. Take a flier on mid round pick, no problem.
I saw a talking head recently list all of the #1 QB’s drafted over the past 10-12 years and most fail w/ their original teams. And mostly they fail because the rosters are terrible. Why would the Raiders be any different and say Carolina?
It would probably take 4 firsts for the raiders to get the pick
The Raiders and Bears trying to outfox each other in a draft deal would be similar to watching two blind men playing a game of pin the tail on the donkey.
Wait…isn’t everyone blindfolded during pin the tail on the donkey so we’re all technically blind?
I don’t ever recall winning at that game as child so someone must have been peeking…lol.
I only played once. I stuck my neighbors mom in the can and got sent to my room. It’s still up for debate whether I did it on purpose or not. Actually it’s not I lied, I did. And I’d do it again.
Not your fault she was an ass.
That’s a long drop. All the top WRs would be long gone. The raiders would need to trade 3 1st rounders (24-26), a 2024 2nd, a 2025 2nd or 3rd, and a player. Maybe Koonce
They’re going to move up but not to #1. I expect Chicago moves down only one pick to Washington if they pass on Williams. Raiders will be moving up with the Patriots or Cardinals, which is in the wheelhouse with what the 49ers did to move up to #3 for Lance.
Given the return the Bears got for the #1 last year, and also factoring in that dropping to 13 is steeper than what they did last year, the price at a minimum is probably 2 1sts 2 2nds and Maxx Crosby.
The Raiders won’t do that, so these two aren’t a match.
New GMs tend not to mortgage their future assets. They’d be better off trading for Fields by giving up a #2 and a current starting player not named Crosby that the Bears need.
Fields isn’t worth a 2nd. If the Bears get that for them, they’ll win the trade.
I assume Aidan O’Connell is your savior.
Both have 5 wins as starters laster. Aidan had far more yards per game average than Fields. I’d stand pat with Aidan over Justin for sure.
Aiden will be about $35m cheaper as well. Did the Giants win by re-uppping a known average QB in Dan, nope.
Darnold netted a 2nd rounder and 2 other picks when he was dealt before the 5th year option decision and Fields has a better resume and less money owed to him than Darnold did. So Fields is worth at least that.
Raiders won’t pony up a 2nd rounder because they’re running Luke Getsy’s offense but some team will.
That’s correct on Darnold trade package & what did Carolina get for it, nothing. Waste of picks and still are in QB purgatory for overpaying for Young last offseason.
Just because a player was drafted in the 1st round, doesn’t make them good in the NFL. Too long of a list at every position to back up that statement.
Bears fans are making the same mistake with Fields vale as they are with Williams value. The point to some horrible trades and use those trades as the benchmark for the next trade.
I get that Williams is the latest shiny object for know-nothing analysts (who like weatherman manage to keep their jobs despite being wrong at least 50% of the time) and the reactionary fans that appear to hate every QB the Bears every had, and while Williams could be good, he could be bad for the Bears, and when you miss on a 1st rounder (specifically a #1 overall), you definitely doom your team for seasons if you miss on the QB.
I think if the Bears get wowed off their feet they make the deal and stick with Fields for another season. Any package will need to include at least the exchange of 1st rounders for 2024, a 2nd rounder for ’24, and 2025 1st rounder, and 2nd rounder, and maybe a 2026 1st rounder if a team is REALLY desperate to move up) and if that team is as abysmal as Carolina was this season, the Bears could have another top 3 pick in 2025 (even if its less they have two 1st rounders to parlay into a top three pick if needed), BUT would also be in better position, with the additional picks in 2024 and 25 to really build the talent and depth any good org has.
Williams isn’t worth 4 1sts or 2 1sts and 2 seconds. He isn’t the second coming of Peyton Manning. Bears should trade the pick to highest bidder and load up on future. Stick with Fields. He plays likes Hurts on Eagles and can take Bears to playoffs.
Like Hurts if Hurts held the ball longer, got injured more, fumbled more, got sacked more, and was less accurate.
So youre saying he plays like… Hurts, hurt.
Hurts had a better o-line and receivers than Fields with the Bears. Anyway there had to be something wrong in the Eagles locker room for the way they finished the season. I don’t blame Hurts, maybe it’s the coaches or there is dissension. Defense was a big letdown. Bears should hang on to Fields and stash the picks. Williams reminds me of Jameis Winston coming out only with a little better legs.