The past few offseasons have featured momentous swing-and-miss transactions on quarterbacks. The Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson moves proved the most costly, but they did not (as of yet, at least) lead to GM firings. A spotlight on how the Giants’ ill-fated Daniel Jones contract will impact their current regime is shining, but New York is still only expected to feature one GM vacancy this offseason.
With a third of the season to go, the Giants are still looking to stand pat with Joe Schoen. The third-year GM is not on track to follow Joe Douglas to the chopping block, according to CBS Sports’ Jonathan Jones. Although a recent report pegged Brian Daboll as coaching for his job over the homestretch, Schoen may be on steadier ground.
Mara said in October he did not envision Schoen or Daboll being booted before season’s end or in 2025, but the Giants have not won a game since those comments. While momentum for a third Joe Judge year surfaced before his eventual firing, Jones adds Daboll is also still presumed safe due to the owner wanting more stability.
The quick hooks given to Ben McAdoo, Pat Shurmur and Judge are benefiting Daboll, who has gone 8-19 since his 2022 Coach of the Year season. That 2022 showing led the Giants to pay Jones (four years, $160MM), and the team is set to eat the remainder of the QB’s guarantees at signing this year and then $22.2MM in prorated bonus money come 2025. Tommy DeVito will have a significant say in whether Daboll is brought back, and Mara’s past at GM would suggest Schoen is safer than Daboll.
Jerry Reese received an extended chance to return the Giants to contender status, as the two-time Super Bowl-winning GM oversaw four seasons without a playoff berth before the 2016 slate — one coming after a free agency splurge for defensive help — led to a return. Mara canned Reese and McAdoo after an Eli Manning benching late in the 2017 season, but Reese’s extended run preceded Dave Gettleman being given four full seasons; none of those brought a postseason berth. Schoen being dropped after three years, the first of which being viewed as a rebuild, would seem hasty by comparison.
Additionally, Jonathan Jones notes Mara’s involvement in Giants day-to-day operations made the owner well aware why the Giants paid Jones in 2023. This well-chronicled sequence eventually led Saquon Barkley to Philadelphia, and while Hard Knocks portrayed Mara as somber once the running back bolted this offseason, the Giants had long held a Jones-over-Barkley stance in 2023. Mara also stumped for Jones in 2022, proclaiming he would remain the starter despite struggles in prior years. The owner cited an inability to build a team around Jones back then, and although Schoen authorized the QB’s second contract, the owner being onboard with that move points to Schoen having a chance to acquire his own quarterback.
Schoen passed on the Michael Penix Jr.–J.J. McCarthy–Bo Nix trio to draft Malik Nabers this year, doing so after the Patriots rebuffed his Drake Maye-centered trade offer for No. 3 overall. This proved risky, as the 2025 QB class is not held in the same regard as this year’s crop. But Schoen was in Miami for the Hurricanes’ Wake Forest matchup, per Jones; Miami, of course, rosters one of next year’s top prospects in QB Cam Ward. The team has already been tied to Shedeur Sanders as well. With Ward and Sanders viewed as next year’s top two QB prospects, connections to the Giants should persist.
The Giants chose their last QB1 in what was viewed as a down draft, having passed on both Sam Darnold and Josh Allen (to take Barkley) in 2018. Unless the team would be OK with a veteran replacing Jones, it appears another dive into a maligned draft pool at the position is on tap. As it stands, it will be Schoen making that call.
Always remember, Brian Daboll was anointed “Coach of the Year” for getting his ass kicked by the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles.
He was awarded coach of the year for taking a horrendous roster and getting them to the playoffs for the first time in five years. Appreciate the dedication to the hate but the CoY that year he won was down to either him or O’Connell.
Daboll’s record vs. Dallas and Philly: 1-10.
Daboll’s record vs. Dallas alone: 0-5. Includes losses of 40-0 (Cowboys’ largest shutout win ever) and 49-17.
You don’t deserve “Coach of the Year” if you can’t beat the big boys in your own division.
Speaking of which, CBS tactfully avoided said honor during the Giants’ lopsided home loss to Tampa Bay.
Bro took a 4 win team with basically the identical roster the year before which we can all agree was an awful one to a 9 win team with a mid QB to the playoffs. He 100% deserved the award. GM needs to go. We can GM that team better than he can. His kid told him to draft Jayden Daniels. He let Saquon walk. Daboll is such a good coach he bamboozled a franchise to paying Jones $160M. If you don’t see all that, you’re just a hater.
Always remember that as bad as Daboll’s team was last season they still kicked the Eagles ass.
I have lost confidence in this franchise. I think I would sign a vet qb and trade the pick especially if we have the 1. Not convinced any of these qb’s are a game changer. Problem is they will draft a qb and sell us on 2 yrs to development. Going to be a long few yrs
If you’re going to rebuild / reboot, then do it right and get a new GM and Head Coach along with offensive line players and coaches because clearly what they have now doesn’t work.
They’ll draft Ward and break him almost immediately with zero protection
Yeah, it is crazy how every offseason for the last decade they’ve made the OL a ‘priority’ and every year it’s average at best. Most years it’s one of the worst crews in the league.
Daboll must have better pictures than Diddy.
There is only one sensible course of action for the Giants organization to take regarding Schoen & Daboll…link to youtube.com
The only thing about the offensive line is that it’s offensive and they are the ones responsible for Jones having to run for his life and that falls on the GM and the coaches. Daboll and Schoen should have been canned some time ago.
Jones will land with another team with a real coach, GM and offensive line that can actually pass block and I hope that he comes back to play against the Giants and beats them soundly.
Redefining insanity:
Retaining the same GM & Head Coach and expecting different results
Offensive line has been significantly better this year. The line isn’t the issue. The QB was, the coach and gm still are. Jones contract aside take a look at who schoen has let walk out the door. Barkley leads the NFL in scrimmage yards and can very well be the MVP. McKinney leads the NFL in ints, Julian love is a pro bowler in Seattle.
Schoen spent 5 mil on drew locke – not to play. 16m on singletary to lose his role early to a rookie 5th rounder. They drafted Evan Neal and he didn’t see the field this year until multiple injuries – was it a bad pick or is the coaching that bad where they can’t coach this monster of a man to block, or see he’s better suited on the interior OL. Schoen and daboll are a joke. The best players on this team are from the gentlemen era, not much has been added since. Send them packing.
There’s no doubt to anyone who has watched this team, including yesterday, that one of the major issues on this team is talent and its time to hold the talent evaluators responsible….that first crunching hit on Tommy Cutlets yesterday was a gift from Neal who was his usual open door on the right side…..and who else has noticed our #1 corner Banks, couldn’t cover his grandma and consistently misses or can’t tackle and when he does drags his receiver forward for more yards after catch…..our DC looks to either be inept in concept, or unable to have it function due to the players involved…..and offensively, this team has no identity…did anyone see a target of our TE yesterday….any quick slants to take pressure of Tommy C….an offensive gameplay what leaves everyone scratching their heads…..I could go on but why……total reboot, but drafting a QB with this talent isn’t going to change anything….Schoen has to draft better and make better FA decisions…..this team is going to be bad for the next 2-3 years at best even if they get more talent….we as fans better just accept it…..
The decision not to keep Barkley is a flaw in the GM and current front office beliefs in how to build a roster and team. The NFL structure is changing due to defenses playing less men in box. The game is becoming more run centric. Schoen and hai front office felt it meant more to have a pass rusher over a RB who may break Eric Dickerson rushing record. Tanking rest of season is fine but Schoen and current front office who don’t understand today’s changing NFL needs to go. Especially when you allowed Barkley not just to your organization but to go to your biggest rival. Unreal!!! Barkley has totally shown Giants they made huge organizational shifting mistake…
Giants rookie Qb spend more other areas 2025. A coaching front office fire seems should we. Not a dumpster fire. Giants are a ok team, dont go into desperation. This year another hard luck year.
Jets are the hard-luck team in New York, though you wouldn’t know it from the mouth-breather hysteria in the tabloids and talk radio.
Giants are just shyte, full stop. Baker Mayfield clowned the Giants with his Tommy Cutlets tribute after scoring a TD for Tampa Bay.
The fact that he wasn’t leveled the next snap he played speaks to the utter lack of passion.
When a douchebag like Mayfield trolls you at home he gets a receipt. Period.
Jump offside and level his ass
Take the offside penalty
Take the roughing the passer
Take the roughness
Take it all
Give him a reminder he’ll remember
LT would’ve annihilated him
Parcells would’ve called the play