Latest On Negotiations Between Packers, Jordan Love

A trio of quarterbacks – Dak Prescott, Tua Tagovailoa and Jordan Love – are on track to see their respective teams’ training camps open without an extension in hand. In the latter case, a decision on Green Bay’s part may drive the next development on the negotiating front.

Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk reports in an update on where things currently stand between Love and the Packers that the ball is believed to be “in the team’s court.” Quarterback mega-deals take time to put together, and this case is a unique one given Love’s lack of playing time before 2023. His age (25) and play down the stretch and in the playoff last year has him in line for a contract near the top of the QB pecking order, though.

For much of the offseason, signs have pointed to Love joining the $50MM-per-year club. The 2020 first-rounder has a thinner resume than the other passers who occupy the top of the market, but he has received the backing of Green Bay’s front office regarding a long-term commitment. One year remains on Love’s pact, and he is due a base salary of $10.5MM in 2024 unless an agreement is worked out over the coming weeks.

Both team and player have expressed a desire to finalize an extension before training camp, a deadline which is fast approaching. Green Bay’s first practice is scheduled for Monday, and the lack of a deal could lead to Love attempting a hold-in (the approach by which players attend camp to avoid fines but do not participate). Florio notes that money – as opposed to structure – appears to be the primary “sticking point” with respect to negotiations.

Matters of length, guarantees and cashflow are key in any extensions, particularly QB contracts. Overall value is also a key element as it pertains to Love, though, given his inexperience prior to taking on the role of Aaron Rodgers‘ successor. Joe Burrow topped the market with an AAV of $55MM last offseason, a figure which Trevor Lawrence matched this spring.

Jared Goff, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts are attached to deals worth between $51MM and $53MM per year. It will be interesting to see if Love joins their company in the near future, something which could also be driven to an degree by developments on the Prescott and Tagovailoa fronts. Green Bay’s next move (and the impact it has on negotiations) will be worth watching closely.

5 Key Stories: 7/14/24 – 7/21/24

The NFL’s brief downtime is set to come to an end with training camps about to open around the league. The past few days have already seen a number of key developments take place, however. In case you missed any of the top stories from the past seven days, here is a quick recap:

  • Aiyuk Requests Trade Amidst Stalled 49ers Talks: Throughout the offseason, Brandon Aiyuk and the 49ers have been unable to gain traction on extension talks. The pending free agent receiver has now submitted a trade request, although to no surprise San Francisco does not intend to deal him. Speculation has swirled during recent months regarding the 26-year-old’s future given the gap between his asking price and the team’s valuation of him. At least five teams were prepared to pay Aiyuk roughly $28MM per season upon trading for him at the draft, and the Patriots have remained interested since the window for a swap appeared to close. The start of training camp is a soft deadline for the 49ers to hammer out a contract, but they have experience with lengthy summer holdouts in recent history; team and player will hope this latest episode also results in a deal.
  • Broncos, Meinerz Agree To Extension: Three years into an unexpectedly successful NFL career, Quinn Meinerz has landed a sizable second contract. The 25-year-old guard agreed to a four-year, $80MM extension with the Broncos featuring $45MM guaranteed. A Division III product, Meinerz became a starter midway through his rookie campaign and has established himself as one of the league’s top guards since then. Denver has responded with the most lucrative O-line investment in team history, one made more notable by the expensive pacts already on the books up front. Mike McGlinchey and Ben Powers each signed big-ticket deals in free agency last offseason, and Garett Bolles is attached to a $17MM-per-year deal. The latter is a pending free agent, though, and the Meinerz commitment will add to further doubts about his future in the Mile High City beyond 2024.
  • Barrett Retires Prior To Dolphins Debut: The Dolphins appeared to have a high-end insurance option along the edge in the form of Shaquil Barrett, but he will not play in Miami in 2024. The two-time Super Bowl winner announced his retirement from the NFL after nine seasons in the league. Barrett, 31, served as a complementary player with the Broncos before seeing his production take off in Tampa Bay. Across five Buccaneers campaigns, he racked up 45 sacks and a pair of Pro Bowl nods. Barrett inked a one-year Dolphins deal with Miami seeking edge depth behind the rehabbing Bradley Chubb and Jaelan PhillipsGiven his retirement decision, the team will lean more on veteran Calais Campbell and first-round rookie Chop Robinson this year. Barrett departs the NFL with over $83MM in career earnings.
  • Fitterer Joins Commanders; Wright To Depart: A pair of notable changes are set to take place in the Commanders’ front office in 2024. Scott Fitterer – who spent the past three seasons as general manager of the Panthers – will join Washington’s staff as a personnel executive. His tenure in Carolina did not go as planned, and the blockbuster trade for the 2023 No. 1 pick and the handling of the Brian Burns situation will hurt his chances of landing a future GM gig. He will nevertheless be an experienced voice this year, one which will be Jason Wright’s last in the nation’s capital. The latter has resigned as president (the title he held since 2020) and he will depart the team no later than the end of this season. Wright’s absence after guiding a transition away from the Dan Snyder era will be felt as new owner Josh Harris moves forward.
  • Cowboys Prioritizing Lamb Over Prescott? The Cowboys have several big-money decisions to make in the near future. Dak Prescott and CeeDee Lamb are both set to enter the final year of their respective deals, and the former had been thought to be the higher priority ahead of training camp. The most recent report on the matter points to a Lamb extension actually being the top item on the to-do list, however. The receiver market has surged past $30MM per season this year, with Justin Jefferson’s $35MM AAV leading the way. Coming off a franchise record-setting campaign, Lamb could look to match that deal or at least come close to its value and guaranteed money. The 25-year-old skipped all spring workouts, and staying away from training camp is a distinct possibility. The progress of extension talks will thus be worth watching closely over the coming days.

Cowboys Prioritizing Extension For WR CeeDee Lamb?

A report from one month ago indicated the Cowboys’ top priority with respect to their three pending monster extensions would be quarterback Dak PrescottThat came as no surprise, considering the market at that position compared to those of edge rushers and receivers.

Micah Parsons is on the books for two more years, so his contract status is less pressing than that of Prescott or CeeDee LambThe latter has been linked to a training camp holdout in the absence of an agreement, but progress on that front is on the team’s radar. Calvin Watkins of the Dallas Morning News reports Lamb – not Prescott – is Dallas’ No. 1 financial priority at the moment.

Prescott is set to attend the beginning of training camp next week regardless of where things stand with respect to his extension. Lamb’s decision on that front has not been made, though, Watkins adds. The Oklahoma alum has been expected to engage in a holdout for quite some time, considering he skipped voluntary OTAs as well as mandatory minicamp during the spring. Missing practices this summer would result in daily fines, though by virtue of being attached to his fifth-year option Lamb could see those fines waived by the team.

Such a move would come after an extension agreement were to be worked out, and talks on big-ticket deal have long been known to be high on Dallas’ to-do list. Lamb is scheduled to earn $17.99MM in 2024, but a long-term accord will come in at a much higher price tag. The top of the receiver market witnessed plenty of movement this spring, with Justin Jefferson attaining an average annual value of $35MM on his Vikings extension (becoming the league’s top earner for non-QBs in the process). Cowboys owner Jerry Jones previously stated an intention of waiting on similar deals to fall into place before authorizing Lamb and/or Prescott pacts.

Earlier this week, Stephen Jones confirmed talks with Prescott’s camp are ongoing while maintaining the team’s stance on hoping to retain Lamb and Parsons as well. Keeping all three in the fold beyond 2024 will be difficult given the cap implications a new deal for each will have in the short- and long-term future. Lamb’s importance to the team’s offense cannot be understated, though, of course.

The 25-year-old broke franchise records in receptions (135) and yards (1,749) last season, leading the NFL in both categories. Veteran Brandin Cooks resides as Dallas’ No. 2 wideout, and the team has a number of relatively unproven options beyond him on the depth chart. Lamb’s willingness to attend training camp will remain a key story to follow in the coming days, but his stance in that regard will obviously change if a deal is struck shortly.

Offseason In Review: Cincinnati Bengals

Joe Burrow’s health was a talking point leading into the 2023 campaign as he dealt with a calf strain. That ailment gave way to a season-ending elbow injury midway through the year, one which added to his missed time and hindered the Bengals’ playoff push.

Cincinnati still managed a 9-8 record, but it was insufficient for a wild-card berth. The team identified improvements in the secondary as a priority, although changes on the other side of the ball have proven to be a key factor in the past few months as well. Alterations along the offensive line and at the skill positions (more of which are likely on hand next offseason) have left the Bengals with several new faces to integrate as Burrow and Co. prepare to navigate another long list of AFC contenders.

Trades:

Mixon’s Bengals future was in question last offseason, with his cap figure being weighed against the prospect of a transition to a younger setup in the backfield. Team and player reached agreement on a restructure during which the 27-year-old took a notable pay cut. Before a 2024 roster bonus was due, Cincinnati elected to move forward with a Mixon release.

The team ended up reversing course, though, with Houston taking on the veteran as a new lead back. The Texans showed heavy interest in making a backfield addition representing an upgrade over Devin Singletary, including a lucrative Saquon Barkley offer. Tony Pollard and D’Andre Swift were also on the team’s radar, but Mixon will carry the load for at least the short-term future.

Mixon, who became the third-leading rusher in Bengals history last season, agreed to a two-year, $19.75MM extension upon arrival in Houston. As a result of that agreement (which includes $13MM in guarantees), the Oklahoma product is under contract through 2026 to begin the second phase of his career. The Texans’ offense features plenty of pass-catching options, but Mixon should be a factor in his new team’s bid to repeat the success of 2023.

For the Bengals, life after the former second-rounder will mark a notable change in the backfield. In each of his healthy seasons since 2018, Mixon logged no fewer than 210 carries, topping 1,200 scrimmage yards during each of those campaigns. Cincinnati will have a much more cost-efficient running back setup moving forward, but the team’s production in the ground game will face question marks.

Free agency additions:

With respect to PFR’s top 50 free agent list, the Bengals withstood many more losses than additions this spring. Rankins is nevertheless a notable new face along the defensive interior. The 30-year-old delivered a strong showing during his one-and-done Texans campaign, racking up six sacks. That figure represented his highest total since 2018 and included a three-sack performance against Cincinnati. He will be counted on to deliver an impact in the pass-rush department as a central member on the team’s new-look defensive line.

Rankins received an offer averaging $12MM per year from the Texans before deciding to join the Bengals. The former Saints first-rounder logged a consistent workload during his Jets stint (2021-22), and his uptick in production in Houston will lead to high expectations on his fourth career team. Pairing Trey Hendrickson with a dependable interior rush contributor could help a defense which ranked 17th in sacks last season. Cincinnati struggled against the run in 2023, though, and the team’s new faces up front will play a key role in determining if improvement takes place.

The Bengals finished mid-pack through the air in 2023 despite Burrow’s missed time. Their largest issue on offense was the ground game (90 rushing yards per contest, 31st in the league). With Mixon no longer in the picture, increased attention will be paid to Chase Brown in addition to Moss moving forward. The latter operated in a rotational capacity during the start of his career, but the midseason 2022 trade which moved him from the Bills to the Colts resulted in an uptick in playing time.

For two different stretches last season, Moss operated as Indianapolis’ lead back. The 26-year-old received double-digit carries eight times in 2023, and his 183 total attempts were comfortably the most of his career. Undersized at 5-9, the 205-pounder will be tasked with operating between the tackles for Cincinnati to complement Chase’s speed. Moss did not receive as lucrative of a deal as many other free agent backs this offseason, but his addition could prove to be a highly cost-effective one if he translates his Colts success to his new home.

Entering the offseason, Cincinnati planned to make a short-term addition at right tackle while also seeking out a more permanent solution at the position via the draft. That approach led to a Mekhi Becton visit prior to the Brown signing. Like he did during his first Patriots stint, Brown manned the blindside over the past two seasons upon returning to New England. The 31-year-old blocker struggled in 2022 but when healthy last season, he rebounded in terms of PFF evaluation (80.2 overall grade). He also has experience at the right tackle spot he will play with the Bengals.

Brown’s deal contains incentives (just as his Patriots pacts did), so his play in Cincinnati will carry financial implications. With Burrow’s health remaining a top organizational priority, pass protection at both tackle spots will continue to be an area of scrutiny for the Bengals. Brown’s long-term replacement may very well be in the organization, but the 10th-year veteran could provide an experienced option during at least the start of the campaign.

After breakdowns in the secondary became a consistent problem for the 2023 Bengals, it came as no surprise that additions at the safety spot were deemed a priority. Stone, 25, established himself as a strong special-teamer early in his Baltimore career, but he took on a much larger defensive workload this past season. The former seventh-rounder logged an 82% snap share and translated that into an AFC-leading seven interceptions and nine pass deflections. A repeat of that ball production would certainly be welcomed in a Jessie Bates-less defensive backfield.

Bell landed a three-year Panthers deal last offseason, but after a single campaign with the team he was released in a cost-shedding move. That paved the way for an inexpensive return to Cincinnati, one which could see him reprise his former starting role. With recent first-rounder Dax Hill transitioning from safety to corner, the play of Stone and Bell on the backend will go a long way in determining how much the Bengals rebound from 2023’s struggles against the pass.

Re-signings:

Taking a flier on Gesicki will give the Bengals a new look at tight end from a pass-catching standpoint, but the team will continue to depend on familiar faces at the position. Sample has not come close to matching his playing time or production from 2020, but he has remained a staple in Cincinnati’s offense in the years since. The 28-year-old also contributes on special teams, and third-phase responsibilities will no doubt continue moving forward as Hudson looks to once again serve as a complementary receiving target.

The same holds true for Irwin, who has spent his entire five-year career in Cincinnati. The former UDFA scored four touchdowns on only 15 receptions in 2022, and he followed that up with personal bests in receptions (25) and yards (316) last season. He could take another step forward in 2024 and in doing so provide the Bengals with cost-effective production in the passing game. Considering the team’s current (and future) financial situation at the receiver spot, effective depth will be critical.

Notable losses:

Once the Bengals added Orlando Brown Jr. in free agency last offseason, the writing seemed to be on the wall for Williams. The former first-rounder rescinded a trade request and accepted a right tackle assignment for 2023, once again serving as a full-time starter. Williams underwhelmed in terms of PFF evaluation (for the second year in a row), which no doubt hurt his market value and hindered his chances of finding a left tackle gig with a new team.

The 26-year-old nevertheless secured $30MM on a two-year Cardinals deal. Arizona will move Paris Johnson Jr. to the blind side in 2024, a transition which comes as little surprise considering his pedigree and college experience. That will leave Williams to continue handling right tackle responsibilities in his new home while the Bengals move in a different direction

Reader’s torn quad – the second of his career – ended his Bengals tenure and threatened to reduce his market value. Cincinnati hoped to keep its four-year DT starter in the fold, but it soon became clear he would at least explore other opportunities. The 30-year-old enjoyed a consistent spell in Cincinnati (when healthy), proving his $53MM Bengals pact to be a solid investment on the team’s part.

To little surprise, Reader was unable to match that figure on his third career contract. His Lions visit ultimately yielded a two-year deal, but its maximum value ($27.25MM) only includes $7.4MM guaranteed at signing. The former fifth-rounder’s health and performance in Detroit will determine whether or not he remains with the Lions for 2025. Likewise, uncertainty surrounds the veteran and rookie additions the Bengals brought in to replace him.

With Ja’Marr Chase and Tee Higgins both in need of new deals, it became clear entering the 2023 season that Boyd’s next contract would likely come from a new team. Upon hitting the market, several teams were listed as suitors. One of those was his hometown Steelers, with which a mutual interest existed for working out an agreement. The Steelers were not willing to increase the value of the initial offer made to the Pittsburgh native, though, steering Boyd in a new direction.

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Minor NFL Transactions: 7/20/24

Saturday’s minor moves around the NFL:

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Ravens To Sign S Eddie Jackson

Another member of the veteran safety market has found a deal ahead of training camp. Eddie Jackson has agreed to a contract with the Ravens, ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports.

To little surprise, Schefter adds this is a one-year agreement. Many veterans at all positions take short-term accords at this point in the offseason, but that has particularly been the expectation at the safety spot in 2024. Jackson had spent his entire seven-year career with the Bears, but he will now turn his attention to Baltimore as the next phase of his NFL tenure begins.

The 30-year-old has started each of his 101 regular season and playoff games, earning a number of accolades along the way. Jackson received first-team All-Pro honors in 2018 and he duplicated his Pro Bowl nod from that season during the following campaign. He has recorded multiple interceptions four times in his career, but his ball production has declined over time. The former fourth-rounder was named as a trade candidate ahead of the 2023 deadline, though no suitors emerged.

Jackson entered the 2024 offseason with one year remaining on his deal, and he was due $14.15MM in compensation. None of his base salary was guaranteed, though, and a message to Chicago sent in February suggested the Bears would move on. Days later, the team did indeed release the Alabama product. No reports had emerged in the following months connecting Jackson to any known suitors, but he will now spend the summer competing for a role in the Ravens’ secondary.

Baltimore still has Marcus Williams and Kyle Hamilton in place as starters, but the latter’s versatility was displayed last season when the team deployed three-safety looks. Geno Stone thus logged a notable workload, and his success earned him a deal from the Bengals in free agency. The Ravens added options to replace Stone during and after the draft, but Jackson represents a veteran presence capable of serving in a third safety capacity. His 87% defensive snap share in 2023 was the lowest of his career, and a 120.6 passer rating allowed illustrates his struggles in coverage.

Jackson will not be counted on as a full-time defender as long as Williams and Hamilton remain healthy. He could earn a part-time role in the secondary over the coming weeks, though, and in that event he could use the 2024 campaign to rebuild his free agent value to an extent as he joins a new team for the first time in his career.

No Progress In Extension Talks Between Saints, Alvin Kamara

A number of receivers are at risk of skipping out the start of training camps around the NFL in the near future, but they are not alone in that respect. Saints running back Alvin Kamara‘s future is somewhat uncertain given his desire for a new deal.

The five-time Pro Bowler walked out of New Orleans’ final minicamp practice as a sign of his unhappiness with his current situation. He is on the books for two more years, but his 2025 salary ($22.4MM) is not guaranteed and has long been seen as a means of artificially inflating the overall value of his pact. With training camp looming, progress on negotiations will be a key storyline to follow for Kamara and the team.

On that note, traction does not appear to have been gained recently. Nick Underhill of NewOrleans.football notes team and player have not made notable progress with respect to a contract resolution (video link). Kamara, entering his age-29 season, represents a risky candidate for a new deal from the Saints’ perspective given the age at which running backs tend to drop off in terms of production. The former third-rounder is, though, open to a restructure to his existing pact rather than an extension tacking on several years to his New Orleans tenure.

Despite missing the first three games of the 2023 campaign through suspension, Kamara managed to top 1,100 scrimmage yards and score six total touchdowns. Talks on a new agreement have taken place during the offseason, but Underhill’s latest report echoes earlier ones suggesting nothing is imminent. Considering the state of the running back market (2024 notwithstanding), Kamara could be hard-pressed to land a notable raise on a new or reworked contract.

Several backs quickly found new homes during free agency this spring, and Christian McCaffrey secured a raise on a new 49ers pact. He leads the way in terms of AAV at the position ($19MM), while Kamara remains in second at $15MM. The latter figure will be altered one way or another considering the nature of the 2025 structure, but whether or not that happens in the immediate future remains to be seen. Kamara would be subject to $50K in mandatory daily fines if he engaged in a training camp holdout.

RB Kenyan Drake Retires

Kenyan Drake has decided to bring his NFL career to an end. The veteran running back confirmed in a conversation with NFL insider Josina Anderson on Friday that he is retiring.

“It felt like the right time,” the 30-year-old told Anderson. “I love the game, but I don’t love the business. I’m at peace with the decision. I’m healthy and ready to start the next chapter of my life.”

Drake entered the league as a Dolphins third-rounder, and over half of his regular season appearances (and his lone playoff one) came with Miami. He topped 1,000 scrimmage yards in 2018, and did so again the following year while splitting him time between the Dolphins and Cardinals. Drake’s best season came in 2020, his only full campaign in the desert.

That year, the Alabama alum rushed for 955 yards and 10 touchdowns. That success earned him a two-year, $11MM Raiders deal, but his career consisted of a series of short-term gigs from that point onwards. Drake only spent one campaign in Vegas before bouncing around to several teams in search of an opportunity. He had a pair of Ravens stints with Colts and Browns deals mixed in between August 2022 and November of last year.

Drake’s final NFL contract came from the Packers in December, and he made a single appearance down the stretch. His remarks suggest he attempted to find a new deal this offseason (something which a number of veteran backs managed early in free agency), but instead of seeking out a training camp accord or waiting for an opportunity to open up during the fall, he will turn his attention to his post-playing days.

A veteran of 105 combined regular and postseason contests, Drake racked up 5,521 scrimmage yards and 41 touchdowns across his eight years in the league. He will depart the NFL with nearly $26MM in career earnings.

Davante Adams Notes: Packers Departure, Carr, Rodgers

Davante Adams has been at the center of trade speculation throughout the offseason, although he and his agents have attempted to shoot down further rumors on that front. More has nevertheless recently been learned about the All-Pro Raiders wideout, including his arrival in Vegas and his outlook on a hypothetical trade to a third career team.

During an appearance on Keyshawn Johnson’s All Facts No Brakes podcast, Adams touched on the lead-up to his Packers departure (video link). He said he approached Green Bay’s front office about working out an extension in the 2022 offseason as he was approaching his walk year. Uncertainty loomed over Aaron Rodgers‘ future with the franchise, but Adams was prepared to sign a long-term deal regardless.

The 31-year-old said he received an offer averaging $17MM per season – a figure notably below market value for the league’s top receivers, especially in the wake of the commitments made at the position over the past two seasons. Adams replied there was “nothing to talk about” after that point, and in March he was traded to the Raiders. That deal allowed him to reunite with former college teammate Derek Carr.

Adams confirmed during an episode of Netflix’s Receiver series (via Vic Tafur of The Athletic) Carr’s presence was a central element in his desire to play for the Raiders. Of course, the veteran passer only remained in Vegas for 2022 before being released and joining the Saints in free agency. Jimmy Garoppolo served as the Raiders’ starter last year before dealing with injuries and being benched – something Adams approved of and tied his future in the organization to.

Vegas decision-makers have repeatedly made it clear no Adams trade is being considered at this time, but Rodgers’ recent comment about anticipating a reunion has led to renewed questions. The former doubled down on his commitment to Vegas while also acknowledging a trade could send him out of Sin City. In the event that were to take place, Adams would welcome the opportunity to resume playing with Rodgers.

“I’m locked in with the Raiders, and I really feel good about this team, and as far as I know they feel good about me,” the six-time Pro Bowler told Shannon Sharpe on his Club Shay podcast (video link). “If that ever changes, if that got to a point where they weren’t feeling the same way, I ain’t done playing, so obviously we would figure out whatever we needed to figure out.”

Adams added, “if I’m gonna be reunited with anybody, it would be Aaron,” confirming he would be open to playing on the Jets in the future (while repeating that it is not a scenario he currently desires). Three years remain on Adams’ contract, but an adjustment will likely be needed after the 2024 campaign given his projected cap hits and the absence of guaranteed salaries in 2025 and ’26. Plenty could change by that point, but for now he is set to play a third Raiders campaign.

Bears Not Seeking DE Addition

The Bears’ depth along the edge (aside from Montez Sweat) is a question mark entering training camp. Plenty of time remains for a veteran addition to be made, but for the time being Chicago is not actively seeking one out.

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“We feel really comfortable with the guys that we have on our roster now,” general manager Ryan Poles said of the defensive end position during a Friday press conference (via The Athletic’s Kevin Fishbain). “We will always have our eyes on the list of players we can potentially bring in.”

With $12.2MM in cap space, the Bears can certainly afford a modest investment along the edge, something which has been mentioned as a possibility during the offseason. Chicago added Yannick Ngakoue late in the summer last year, and he served as a starter when healthy. The journeyman sack artist logged a 72% defensive snap share before a broken ankle shut him down for the season.

Ngakoue has returned to full health since then, but he has yet to be linked to any suitors. Given that, along the the Bears’ lack of other moves at the position, a return to the Windy City could be in the cards. The 29-year-old inked a $10.5MM deal in 2023, but his injury and career-low four sacks last season will no doubt force him to take a less lucrative pact this year.

Aside from Sweat, the Bears’ veteran options at the defensive end spot include the likes of Jacob Martin, Khalid Kareem and Dominique Robinson. Chicago also selected Austin Booker in the fifth round of the draft, and he could fill a rotational role as a rookie. Training camp will no doubt be a key determinant in whether of not Poles decides that group is sufficient or an addition is required.