Minor NFL Transaction: 5/8/26
Friday’s minor NFL transactions:
Cincinnati Bengals
- Claimed off waivers (from Giants): LB Swayze Bozeman
- Signed: S Isaiah Nwokobia
Cleveland Browns
- Claimed off waivers (from Giants): DT Elijah Chatman
- Received international exemption: P Nik Constantinou
Denver Broncos
- Waived: T Marques Cox, OLB Garrett Nelson
Minnesota Vikings
- Signed: DT Smith Vilbert
New York Giants
- Signed: RB Damon Bankston
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
- Claimed off waivers (from Colts): LB John Bullock
Tennessee Titans
- Claimed off waivers (from Giants): WR Courtney Jackson
- Waived: WR Hal Presley
After the Giants waived Bozeman, Chatman, and Jackson yesterday, all three found new homes today on the waiver wire. Constantinou qualifies for the international exemption that allows him not to count against the team’s 90-man roster as one of several Australians who have found their way to the NFL as specialists. Lastly, Cincinnati, Minnesota, and New York all added to their UDFA classes today after Nwokobia, Vilbert, and Bankston went undrafted out of SMU, North Carolina, and New Mexico, respectively.
NFL Draft Pick Signings: 5/7/26
A slew of rookies signed their first NFL contracts on Thursday. Here’s a look…
Arizona Cardinals
- WR Reggie Virgil (fifth round, Texas Tech)
- LB Karson Sharar (sixth round, Iowa)
- T Jayden Williams (seventh round, Ole Miss)
Atlanta Falcons
- WR Zachariah Branch (third round, Georgia)
- LB Kendal Daniels (fourth round, Oklahoma)
- LB Harold Perkins Jr. (sixth round, LSU)
- T Ethan Onianwa (seventh round, Ohio State)
Buffalo Bills
- OLB TJ Parker (second round, Clemson)
- S Jalon Kilgore (fifth round, South Carolina)
- DT Zane Durant (fifth round, Penn State)
- CB Toriano Pride Jr. (seventh round, Missouri)
- P Tommy Doman Jr. (seventh round, Florida)
- G Ar’maj Reed-Adams (seventh round, Texas A&M)
Denver Broncos
- TE Justin Joly (fifth round, NC State)
- S Miles Scott (seventh round, Illinois)
Indianapolis Colts
- LB CJ Allen (second round, Georgia)
- S A.J. Haulcy (third round, LSU)
- EDGE George Gumbs Jr. (fifth round, Florida)
- EDGE Caden Curry (sixth round, Ohio State)
- RB Seth McGowan (seventh round, Kentucky)
- WR Deion Burks (seventh round, Oklahoma)
Jacksonville Jaguars
- DT Albert Regis (third round, Texas A&M)
- OL Emmanuel Pregnon (third round, Miami)
- S Jalen Huskey (third round, Maryland)
- DE Wesley Williams (fourth round, Duke)
- TE Tanner Koziol (fifth round, Houston)
- WR Josh Cameron (sixth round, Baylor)
- WR CJ Williams (sixth round, Stanford)
- DE Zach Durfee (seventh round, Washington)
- LB Parker Hughes (seventh round, Middle Tennessee State)
New York Giants
- WR Malachi Fields (third round, Notre Dame)
- DT Bobby Jamison-Travis (sixth round, Auburn)
- T J.C. Davis (sixth round, Illinois)
- LB Jack Kelly (sixth round, BYU)
New York Jets
- QB Cade Klubnik (fourth round, Clemson)
- S VJ Payne (seventh round, Kansas State)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
- WR Ted Hurst (third round, Georgia State)
- CB Keionte Scott (fourth round, Miami)
- DT DeMonte Capehart (fifth round, Clemson)
- G Billy Schrauth (fifth round, Notre Dame)
- TE Bauer Sharp (sixth round, LSU)
With the Jaguars’ three-day rookie minicamp scheduled to start Friday, they now have nine of their 10 picks under contract. The lone exception is their top choice, second-round tight end Nate Boerkircher.
The Buccaneers are in a similar situation to the Jaguars. Their second-rounder, linebacker Jeremiah Trotter, is also unsigned. Meanwhile, Hurst has not officially put pen to paper, but that will change when he arrives for rookie camp on Friday. He has already agreed to terms, per Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times.
Minor NFL Transactions: 5/7/26
Today’s minor moves:
Arizona Cardinals
- Released: WR Andre Baccellia (failed physical)
Atlanta Falcons
- Signed: CB Darren Hall
- Waived: S Tysheem Johnson
Carolina Panthers
- Waived: LB Jacoby Windmon
Chicago Bears
- Waived: DB Zah Frazier
Jacksonville Jaguars
- Waived: OL Sal Wormley
Los Angeles Chargers
- Waived: DL Josh Fuga, CB Jordan Oladokun
New Orleans Saints
- Signed: DL Zxavian Harris
New York Giants
- Released: DL Marlon Tuipulotu
- Waived: LB Swayze Bozeman, DL Elijah Chatman, WR Courtney Jackson
New York Jets
- Waived: C Gus Hartwig (failed physical)
- Waived/injured: S Chris Smith
The Bears surprised many today when they moved on from 2025 fifth-round pick Zah Frazier. The six-foot-three cornerback sat out his entire rookie campaign for what the team described as a “personal reason,” leading to his placement on the non-football injury list. As Patrick Finley of the Chicago Sun Times notes, GM Ryan Poles recently acknowledged that the player had a “mountain to climb” if he hoped to contribute in 2026, with the executive adding that Frazier “needed to play” last year. Now, the defensive back will have to make his NFL debut elsewhere.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals received a roster exemption today for international player Valentin Senn. The former Austrian prospect will be auditioning for a spot on Arizona’s offensive line. The Jets also got a roster exemption for Paschal Ekeji. The former rugby player will be competing for a spot on the Jets defensive line.
Giants Add Six Undrafted Free Agents
After picking seven rookies in this year’s draft, the Giants announced six more new additions on Thursday. Here is their undrafted class:
- Anquin Barnes Jr., DT (Colorado)
- Ben Barten, DT (Wisconsin)
- Thaddeus Dixon, CB (North Carolina)
- Ben Mann, LS (Boston College)
- Ryan Schernecke, OL (Kutztown)
- Dominic Zvada, K (Michigan)
As part of his final pre-draft rankings, Dane Brugler of The Athletic placed Dixon and Zvada among the top 300 prospects available. Dixon, who checked in at No. 196, divided the previous three years between Washington and North Carolina. Primarily an outside corner, Dixon had two interceptions and 16 passes defensed in 27 games with the Huskies. The 6-foot-1, 185-pounder transferred to UNC to play under legendary head coach and defensive guru Bill Belichick in 2025.
“He could probably play any position in the secondary,” Belichick said of Dixon (via Brugler).
Unfortunately for Dixon and Belichick, an upper-body injury limited the defender to seven games last year. Dixon went without an interception, but he racked up six PDs as a Tar Heel.
Zvada, No. 257 on Brugler’s list, began his college career at Arkansas State. During his run there from 2022-23, Zvada connected on 34 of 40 field goal tries (85%) and all but one of his 72 extra-point attempts. After transferring to Michigan in 2024, he enjoyed his best college season. Zvada hit 21 of 22 field goals (95.5%) and 26 of 27 PATs. He was a first-team All-American who also took home Big Ten Kicker of the Year honors.
Last season did not go as smoothly for Zvada, who converted a personal-worst 68% of field goals (17 of 25). However, he was successful on all 43 PATs. He will now face an uphill battle to earn a roster spot in New York, which signed former Dolphin Jason Sanders in free agency and also has Ben Sauls as a holdover from last year.
Schernecke will attempt to become the eighth Kutztown alumnus to play in the NFL. The Pennsylvania-based school produced former Bills receiver Andre Reed, a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Jon Runyan Jr. On Track To Keep Giants’ Left Guard Job?
Jon Runyan Jr. came up as a cap-casualty candidate, and while the Giants made other such moves to free up cap space this offseason, their two-year left guard starter remains on the roster.
It should not be considered a lock Runyan stays for a third season, but The Athletic Dan Duggan views the veteran as the frontrunner for the LG job. With the Giants set to plug No. 10 overall pick Francis Mauigoa in at RG, a competition is on tap for Runyan’s post. But Runyan has more experience than his competitors.
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New York made a mid-offseason move to add another ex-John Harbaugh Baltimore charge, signing Daniel Faalele to a one-year deal. Faalele will be tied to just $1.4MM, per Duggan, who adds the deal includes $688K guaranteed. The Giants, though, also added veteran interior lineman Lucas Patrick. The recent Bengal signed for one year and $1.49MM, Duggan adds; only $262K is guaranteed.
These moves came after the Giants bowed out of the Alijah Vera-Tucker sweepstakes, allowing the Patriots to sign the ex-Jets starter (for three years and $42MM). The team did not view the Zion Johnson, David Edwards, Isaac Seumalo and John Simpson prices as aligning with their talent levels. Although Mauigoa was a college right tackle — and sits as the likely Giants Jermaine Eluemunor RT successor — the Miami product became New York’s big 2026 guard investment.
While Runyan’s contract (three years, $30MM) signifies a much bigger commitment, no guarantees remain on the deal — one authorized during Brian Daboll‘s HC tenure. Harbaugh is running the show now, with GM Joe Schoen — who authorized the Runyan contract — seeing his power greatly reduced. Although Runyan (79 career starts, including 29 as a Giant) is the most proven option the Giants have at guard, the team could save $9MM in cap space by cutting or trading him.
A team taking on Runyan’s full $9MM base salary may be difficult to envision, but prime guard starters are valuable. An injury elsewhere could certainly make Runyan an attractive trade chip, as Faalele — due to his two-year Ravens starter run — would profile as the top challenger. Patrick, 32, has made 65 career starts but may be a more logical swing backup — as he has seen extensive time at both guard and center — at this stage of his career. The Giants could also carry Runyan’s contract even if he loses the position battle or ask him to take an ill-timed pay cut, thus creating depth at a position the team has struggled to staff for many years.
The team also re-signed Evan Neal and Joshua Ezeudu. Neal received no guarantees after an unremarkable rookie-contract showing, while Ezeudu is guaranteed $410K. Ezeudu will also have a chance at guard, per Schoen (via SNY’s Connor Hughes). Mauigoa’s status as the near-certain RG starter will leave a crowded competition for the other starting spot. Runyan may need to fend off four challengers. This full group may not all make Harbaugh’s first 53-man Giants roster, though practice squad spots will be available. That said, Neal and Ezeudu’s tackle experience could make them swing options there as well.
Pro Football Focus ranked Runyan 65th among guards last season and 58th in 2024, though the advanced-metrics site has never viewed the former Packers sixth-rounder as a top-35 option at the position. That did not stop Runyan, even in a crowded 2024 guard market, from fetching a $10MM-per-year deal. Like fellow potential cut Devin Singletary, Runyan has survived (Singletary accepted a pay cut to stay). Unlike Singletary, though, Runyan saw the Giants make a major addition at his position in the draft. New York’s LG competition will be one to monitor once OTAs begin.
Giants Claim DT Zacch Pickens
The Giants made one of Tuesday’s most noteworthy moves in agreeing to sign defensive tackle D.J. Reader to a two-year, $12.5MM deal. Not content to stop adding at the position, the Giants have claimed Zacch Pickens off waivers from the Chiefs.
Pickens is quickly landing on his feet after the Chiefs cut him Monday. The 6-foot-4, 303-pounder spent all of last season in the Kansas City organization, mostly as a member of its practice squad. Pickens got into three games and played 59 defensive snaps.
Before arriving in KC, Pickens spent the first two years of his career in Chicago. The Bears invested a third-round pick (No. 64 overall) in the South Carolina product in 2023, but the move did not work out as hoped. Pickens logged his lone 17-game season as a rookie, though he did not make any starts. He finished with a 24.65% defensive snap share, 20 tackles and a half-sack. While Pickens made the first three starts of his career in 2024, he totaled just nine appearances, 19 tackles and a sack on the season. Led by then-rookie head coach Ben Johnson, the Bears waived Pickens last August.
For the Giants, the Pickens claim continues an active couple of weeks along their interior defensive line. The first domino to fall was the mid-April trade of nose tackle Dexter Lawrence to the Bengals for the 10th overall pick. The Giants have since brought in Reader, Pickens, Leki Fotu and sixth-rounder Bobby Jamison-Travis to join Darius Alexander, Sam Roberts and Marlon Tuipulotu
Giants Still “In The Mix” For DT D.J. Reader
The Giants continue to be connected to D.J. Reader. Jordan Schultz reported last week that the Giants are “very much in the mix” for the free agent defensive tackle, but the reporter does caution that the organization has some “real competition.” Jason La Canfora echoes that sentiment, noting that John Harbaugh is still expected to “lure” Reader to New York.
The veteran met with the Giants about a month ago. We heard that Reader was expected to wait until after the draft to sign with a team, allowing him to survey the defensive line landscape while also allowing his suitor to avoid the 2027 compensatory-pick formula. Notably, the Giants have added Shelby Harris and Leki Fotu to the mix, and they drafted Auburn DT Bobby Jamison-Travis in the sixth round. Still, Schultz believes these additions won’t have any influence on Reader’s decision.
As for the unnamed competition, the only other team that’s been definitively connected to the free agent is the Ravens. Baltimore has since made a significant addition at the position in Calais Campbell. While New York’s DL additions may not have any bearing on the Reader sweepstakes, Campbell’s addition could take the Ravens out of the running. For what it’s worth, Dan Duggan of The Athletic says the Giants were never in the mix for Campbell’s services.
Reader spent the past two seasons with the Lions, starting all 32 of his appearances. He finished his first year in Detroit with three sacks, four TFLs, and eight QB hits, but those numbers dropped to zero sacks, zero TFLs, and four QB hits in 2025. The 31-year-old still earned similar PFF grades between the two years, including a 2025 showing when he ranked 32nd among 127 qualifying interior defenders. Any suitor would be hoping Reader can return to his performance from Cincinnati, where he ranked between sixth and 11th during his final three-year stretch with the organization.
The Giants needed some reinforcement at the position entering the offseason, and that need only intensified after they acquired the No. 10 pick for Dexter Lawrence. In addition to the players mentioned above, the team also has former third-round pick Darius Alexander and offseason acquisitions Sam Roberts and Marlon Tuipulotu at the position. Reader would represent an upgrade over any of the existing options, and it sounds like it’s only a matter of time before he joins the organization.
Browns Considered Jordyn Tyson, Francis Mauigoa In Round 1; Latest On Jerry Jeudy
Heavily rumored to be considering a trade-down move from No. 6, the Browns found a taker and flipped the pick to the Chiefs in exchange for third- and fifth-rounders. The Chiefs took LSU cornerback Mansoor Delane, leaving the Browns with one of their preferred prospects on offense at No. 9.
GM Andrew Berry had already asked Chiefs counterpart Brett Veach if he would use No. 6 on offense or defense; after hearing the Kansas City front office boss’ answer, Berry would be assured of one of the team’s three preferred offensive prospects being available at 9.
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The Browns felt comfortable with that three-spot slide due to interest in Jordyn Tyson, Spencer Fano and Francis Mauigoa, as detailed by ESPN’s The Pick Is In special (h/t ESPN.com’s Daniel Oyefusi). While it is unclear if the Browns would have taken Tyson above Fano at 9, the Saints took the play out of their hands by grabbing the Arizona State wide receiver at 8.
Browns-Tyson rumors did not circulate heavily before draft weekend, as the most recent tie came from an early-March “30” visit. The Browns kept their Tyson interest under wraps, though we did hear some teams preferred his upside to Carnell Tate‘s. The Titans were not among that group, as they chose Tate fourth overall. The Browns addressed receiver with their second and third draft choices, taking Texas A&M’s KC Concepcion and Washington’s Denzel Boston at Nos. 24 and 39.
Cleveland was closely tied to wanting a tackle in Round 1, and the team came away with Fano. The team chose Fano over Mauigoa, whom the Giants drafted one spot later. Fano came as a cleaner prospect, with Mauigoa’s disk issue affecting his draft stock.
The Browns declined two Cowboys offers for No. 9, with Dallas initially proposing Nos. 12 and 20 for Nos. 9 and 24. Berry labeled that first offer light, before Cowboys COO Stephen Jones tacked on a fifth-rounder (h/t Oyefusi) to the proposal. The Browns stayed at 9 and drafted Fano, who is ticketed to be the team’s left tackle. We heard earlier the Browns received calls from NFC teams before Tyson went off the board and that Cleveland declined another offer for 9. It is now known the Cowboys made the latter proposal.
The Browns, who gave Fano LT challenger Dawand Jones a pay cut in exchange for upfront guarantees, may have been leery of dropping below the Giants in the draft. Jones said during the ESPN special the Browns were likely worried about the Giants with regards to a tackle.
The Dolphins loomed at No. 11, inviting a scenario in which both the Browns’ top tackle options were off the board by the time No. 12 came around. Miami moved down one spot with Dallas, which may have been trying to outflank New York for Caleb Downs — a player frequently linked to Big Blue pre-draft — with its offer for No. 9. But the Cowboys ended up with the Ohio State safety at No. 11. The Dolphins also chose a tackle — Alabama’s Kadyn Proctor — after trading down.
As Tyson joins Chris Olave in New Orleans, the Browns rounded out their receiver cadre with Concepcion and Boston. They will accompany Jerry Jeudy, whom Berry said (via Oyefusi) the team will not be impacted by the team’s first- and second-round wideout choices. Jeudy’s three-year, $52.5MM extension runs through the 2027 season.
“He’s our bell cow,” Berry said of Jeudy. “I think with receiver rooms you can have, maybe a ball-dominant player or you can essentially build a basketball team with different skillsets. We prefer the second approach. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll take Calvin Johnson if he’s out there. But we feel like we have a nice, well-rounded room with speed, RAC, contested catch ability, separation. So, we’re really pleased with the youth and talent in that group.”
Boston’s size-oriented outside skillset will complement smaller wideouts like Jeudy and Concepcion. Jeudy has plenty of slot experience as well. While the former Broncos first-rounder is heading into his seventh NFL season, he just turned 27. More prime years should remain, though the Alabama product is coming off a down 2025.
After a Pro Bowl 2024 season that included a belated breakout — 90 catches, 1,229 yards, four touchdowns — Jeudy slumped last season (50/602/2 in 17 games). Drops were an issue for the upper-crust route runner, but the Browns are planning to give him another chance.
It would cost the Browns more than $22MM to trade Jeudy this year. While they could prorate that over two years by waiting until after June 1, Cleveland’s frequently used contract structure — where base salaries are dropped to the minimum in bonus-flooded accords — would make a trade punitive in the grand scheme. The Browns already paid Jeudy a $6MM option bonus for 2026. The team will have an easier time moving off the deal in 2027, but it appears Deshaun Watson (or one of Cleveland’s second-year arms) will have Jeudy to target alongside Concepcion and Boston.
The topic of a second Jeudy trade could resurface at the trade deadline — after it briefly came up last fall — as his low base salary and nonguaranteed 2027 compensation would make him an attractive chip. But the Browns will continue their offseason program with Jeudy as the veteran presence alongside the SEC and Big Ten WR prospects.
Giants Had “Basically The Same” Grade On RB Jeremiyah Love, LB Arvell Reese; Latest On OL Francis Mauigoa
The Giants were said to be high on Notre Dame running back Jeremiyah Love in the run-up to the draft, and some members of the organization were reportedly hoping Love would fall to Big Blue’s No. 5 overall pick despite the perceived value issues in selecting a running back so early. As it turned out, the Giants never had to make that call, since the Cardinals chose Love at No. 3. But it would have been an interesting dilemma for New York, as a team source told Ralph Vacchiano of Fox Sports the Giants had Love and Ohio State linebacker Arvell Reese (whom New York selected at No. 5) graded “basically the same.”
John Harbaugh was one of Love’s biggest supporters, and Vacchiano says the new head coach wants to build the same type of rushing attack he deployed in Baltimore with his Derrick Henry-fronted corps. On the other hand, GM Joe Schoen is among the Giants’ staffers who believe strongly in positional value, and the No. 5 overall pick is due to make a fully-guaranteed $47.8MM, which is $11.8MM more in guaranteed money than any RB has ever received.
One GM told Vacchiano, “[i]t’s a terrible use of assets. Obviously, you can find 1,000-yard rushers for much less. You have to really believe [Love] is a Hall of Fame talent and can transform your team immediately. Because financially, you’re saying he’s 33% better than [Saquon] Barkley. And he’s not.”
Despite those sentiments, which Schoen and other key voices in the building appear to share, one predraft report said the Giants would take Love if he fell to them (which they did not expect). Of course, they also thought Reese would be taken before No. 5; Schoen indicated the former Buckeye was the highest-rated non-quarterback on the club’s board. Ultimately, the Giants were not forced to make what may have been a rather difficult decision, and they were free to simply take the player they believed was the best available.
New York was also armed with the No. 10 overall pick, thanks to the Dexter Lawrence trade the club completed with the Bengals about a week before the draft. The Giants used their acquired selection on Miami (FL) offensive lineman Francis Mauigoa. Dan Duggan of The Athletic confirms Love and Reese were the Giants’ top-graded non-QBs, and he says Mauigoa would have been the choice at No. 5 if Reese were off the board (it is unclear if Duggan is suggesting the Giants would have taken Mauigoa over Love, or if both Love and Reese are unavailable in this hypothetical).
In any event, the Giants’ willingness to use the first of their two top-10 selections on Mauigoa underscores Schoen’s assertion that the team is comfortable with their new blocker’s health situation despite a herniated disc that was discovered at the scouting combine. New York understands surgery may be necessary at some point but does not believe it is a given. Even if Mauigoa is forced to go under the knife eventually, the Giants are unconcerned about the long-term effects.
A college tackle, Mauigoa will begin his career competing for a job at guard. Reese will see most of his early action as an off-ball linebacker rather than as an edge rusher thanks to New York’s existing EDGE depth.
Seahawks Were Wary Of 49ers’ Interest In RB Jadarian Price; Seattle Remains Open To Signing Dante Fowler
The Seahawks filled a major need in this year’s draft when they selected Notre Dame RB Jadarian Price with the last pick (No. 32 overall) of Day 1. Although they reportedly attempted to trade out of the first round — and, per ESPN’s Brady Henderson, the Titans (No. 35) and Giants (No. 37) were among the potential trade partners — the ‘Hawks felt comfortable selecting Price for a number of reasons (aside from his obvious talent as a runner and relatively low odometer reading).
As Henderson relays, Price’s character and willingness to eschew more lucrative NIL deals to remain with the Fighting Irish as Jeremiyah Love‘s backup — which Price says he did as a challenge to himself to earn a notable workload alongside Love, whom he called the best player in college football — contributed to GM John Schneider‘s decision to pull the trigger with his first-round selection.
Plus, Schneider was concerned the division-rival 49ers would nab Price at No. 33, and given the perceived gap between Price and the next tier of RBs in this year’s draft class, that would have been a bitter pill to swallow (Henderson says Schneider viewed Washington’s Jonah Coleman and Arkansas’ Mike Washington Jr. as Day 3 options if he was unable to land the former Golden Domer).
The Seahawks’ other realistic first-round target was San Diego State CB Chris Johnson, whom the Dolphins selected at No. 27. Seattle ultimately landed a cornerback prospect when it chose Julian Neal with the No. 99 pick, and it was Neal’s tackling ability that stood out. Riq Woolen, who defected to the Eagles in free agency, was not a sure and willing tackler, and the club hopes Neal will represent an upgrade in that regard and step into Woolen’s CB3 role.
Like Woolen, Dareke Young left the Seahawks in free agency, and Henderson suggests Emmanuel Henderson Jr. the No. 199 pick, could take over for Young on Seattle’s special teams unit thanks to his ability to return and cover kicks. A different wide receiver the ‘Hawks were eyeing for a third phase role, Kentucky’s Kendrick Law, went to the Lions as the 168th pick.
Interestingly, some members of the organization valued fifth-round guard Beau Stephens more highly than Keylan Rutledge, who went to the Texans in the first round. Henderson confirms, as our Connor Byrne recently noted, that Seattle expects Stephens to push Anthony Bradford for the starting right guard spot in 2026.
The board was not as kind to Seattle with respect to pass rushers, as would-be targets like R Mason Thomas, Derrick Moore, and Jaishawn Barham went elsewhere. That leaves the Seahawks without a replacement for Boye Mafe, who signed with the Bengals in March. Dante Fowler, who visited Seattle last month and who remains unsigned, remains one of Schenider’s top options, per Henderson. The ESPN scribe had said in a prior report that Schneider could still sign a pass rusher, whether that’s Fowler or someone else.